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01-28-2024, 04:30 PM
(01-28-2024, 04:24 PM)Tomenable Wrote: Which tool do you use to simulate G25 from MDLP World-22 results? Is it available online, can you post a link?

BTW we should ask Davidski what exactly are his "Amerindian_North" samples, which tribe(s) do they represent.

https://output.jsbin.com/putawif

(this is a tool from nganassankan)
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01-28-2024, 04:44 PM
(01-28-2024, 04:24 PM)Tomenable Wrote: Which tool do you use to simulate G25 from MDLP World-22 results? Is it available online, can you post a link?

BTW we should ask Davidski what exactly are his "Amerindian_North" samples, which tribe(s) do they represent.

https://output.jsbin.com/putawif

Nganasankhan's tools...
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01-28-2024, 04:52 PM
Montana Native does plot with Canadian tribes (see the PCA which I posted). But the Creek guy should be close to Choctaws.
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01-28-2024, 07:08 PM (This post was last modified: 01-28-2024, 07:10 PM by Ajeje Brazorf.)
(01-27-2024, 10:35 PM)Tomenable Wrote: Now some Global25 coordinates (scaled):

USA tribes:

Code:
Algonquin:Algonquin1,0.063741,-0.227479,0.104462,0.070091,-0.08063,-0.006693,-0.161217,-0.206068,-0.00225,-0.016219,0.003085,-0.003297,0.002081,0.00289,-0.008143,0.006895,0.002347,0.00114,0.00352,0.011756,0.010107,0.002597,0.01368,0.006989,0.002515
Chippewa:Chippewa1,0.064879,-0.254898,0.106725,0.072998,-0.091094,-0.022032,-0.187538,-0.226837,-0.012271,-0.018406,-0.003573,-0.002997,0.000595,0.013625,-0.012758,0.002917,0.008475,0.00152,0.000503,0.003377,-0.000749,-0.000618,-0.006532,0.000361,0.002754
Choctaw:Choctaw1,0.055773,-0.292472,0.109365,0.084949,-0.096941,-0.017012,-0.233601,-0.278988,-0.011044,-0.020957,0.005521,-0.001649,0.009217,0.017478,-0.009365,0.009414,0.003129,0.004054,0.004148,0.001501,-0.005989,0.004575,-0.005053,0.000964,-0.004191
Cree:Cree3,0.072847,-0.234587,0.09428,0.065892,-0.084323,0.000558,-0.169678,-0.202607,-0.006545,-0.015855,-0.001299,-0.005545,-0.001635,-0.002202,-0.005972,0.007027,-0.001825,-0.001774,0.009804,0.002251,0.004243,-0.010634,-0.001849,-0.003615,0.00455
Cree:Cree4,0.064879,-0.25896,0.103708,0.078812,-0.089247,-0.011713,-0.183308,-0.214606,-0.001023,-0.011299,-0.003735,0.000749,0.000446,0.003716,-0.009908,0.00305,0.015646,0,0.008045,0.003126,-0.003743,-0.004822,-0.008627,0.008555,0.003712
Navajo:Navajo1,0.055773,-0.321923,0.112382,0.085595,-0.104635,-0.017849,-0.22232,-0.273912,-0.007363,-0.024966,-0.00065,0.001649,0.001784,0.013349,-0.0076,-0.009414,-0.012126,0.005321,0.006159,0.001876,-0.000499,-0.006554,-0.002711,0.003012,0.007784
Navajo:Navajo2,0.056912,-0.316845,0.110496,0.08398,-0.106789,-0.019522,-0.217385,-0.265604,-0.000818,-0.020957,-0.001624,-0.001049,0.0055,0.012248,-0.005293,-0.005967,-0.014864,0.002154,0.002263,0.001376,0.003119,-0.00272,-0.004067,0.004217,0.005628
Ojibwe:Ojibwe1,0.064879,-0.250836,0.107479,0.074613,-0.084939,-0.011156,-0.190124,-0.225914,-0.008795,-0.019135,-0.001949,-0.01169,-0.002825,0.007707,-0.004072,0.006099,0.003912,0.000507,0.008045,5e-04,-0.004118,-0.001855,-0.00493,0.001325,0.003233
Ojibwe:Ojibwe2,0.066017,-0.2681,0.105971,0.074613,-0.094171,-0.009761,-0.205869,-0.242759,-0.011249,-0.019135,0.001624,-0.013788,0,0.00289,-0.007329,-0.00411,-0.003912,-0.00114,0.004274,0.00075,-0.005615,-0.000989,0.001725,-0.004097,0.00455
Sioux:Sioux1,0.053497,-0.312783,0.111251,0.085918,-0.101865,-0.010319,-0.22608,-0.271373,-0.008181,-0.021686,0.002923,-0.001499,0,0.006193,-0.011129,0.002519,0.008214,-0.001774,0.001885,0.003627,-0.005241,-0.001978,-0.002588,0.000241,0.006706
Sioux:Sioux2,0.060326,-0.279271,0.108611,0.08398,-0.094479,-0.014502,-0.209394,-0.249451,-0.014112,-0.016583,0.004547,0.001049,0.006095,0.00867,-0.007329,0.009414,0.001173,0.000887,0.008422,-0.00075,-0.005865,0.001237,0.003944,0.002771,0.002994

So you confirm these coordinates are all real and not simulated?
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01-28-2024, 07:49 PM (This post was last modified: 01-28-2024, 07:52 PM by Tomenable.)
(01-28-2024, 07:08 PM)Ajeje Brazorf Wrote: So you confirm these coordinates are all real and not simulated?

Yes, I confirm.
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01-28-2024, 08:32 PM
Good to see you here Ajeje
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01-28-2024, 10:43 PM (This post was last modified: 01-28-2024, 10:43 PM by ph2ter.)
MDLP W22 G25 sims are actually quite good:

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01-29-2024, 11:25 AM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2024, 11:30 AM by Tomenable.)
Can you make a map for this one (most probably Sioux but I'm not 100% sure, could be also from a related tribe)?:

Kit number: UU1228175

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian -
North-European-Mesolithic -
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 37.15 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 1.33 Pct
South-America_Amerind 8.55 Pct
Indian -
North-Siberean 1.69 Pct
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic -
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 0.15 Pct
East-Siberean 2.99 Pct
North-East-European -
South-African -
North-Amerind 46.86 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 0.92 Pct
Near_East -
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 0.37 Pct
Austronesian -

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 73.71 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 3.03 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.6 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.1 Pct
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 0.83 Pct
Italian -
Malayan 0.33 Pct
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 18.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.33 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -
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01-29-2024, 12:31 PM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2024, 12:32 PM by Tomenable.)
And here is a South Dakota Sioux kit with a GEDCOM pedigree tree:

Kit number: A279840

She is Sioux with some Crow and small European (French) admixture:

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 65.91 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.43 Pct
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.78 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.35 Pct
Fennoscandian 5.04 Pct
French 1.72 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 1.51 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 16.66 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 2.17 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.35 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy 0.12 Pct
West-Asian 0.4 Pct
North-European-Mesolithic 1.73 Pct
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 33.25 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 1.85 Pct
South-America_Amerind 8.71 Pct
Indian 0.63 Pct
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 2.34 Pct
Samoedic 2 Pct
Indo-Iranian 0.18 Pct
East-Siberean 2.26 Pct
North-East-European 3.41 Pct
South-African -
North-Amerind 40.61 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 1.25 Pct
Near_East 0.52 Pct
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 0.57 Pct
Austronesian 0.15 Pct
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01-29-2024, 01:01 PM
(01-29-2024, 11:25 AM)Tomenable Wrote: Can you make a map for this one (most probably Sioux but I'm not 100% sure, could be also from a related tribe)?:

Kit number: UU1228175

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian -
North-European-Mesolithic -
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 37.15 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 1.33 Pct
South-America_Amerind 8.55 Pct
Indian -
North-Siberean 1.69 Pct
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic -
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 0.15 Pct
East-Siberean 2.99 Pct
North-East-European -
South-African -
North-Amerind 46.86 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 0.92 Pct
Near_East -
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 0.37 Pct
Austronesian -

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 73.71 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 3.03 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.6 Pct
Fennoscandian 1.1 Pct
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese 0.83 Pct
Italian -
Malayan 0.33 Pct
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 18.71 Pct
South_Asian 0.36 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.33 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

He looks Hopi Pueblo:

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01-29-2024, 01:03 PM
(01-29-2024, 12:31 PM)Tomenable Wrote: And here is a South Dakota Sioux kit with a GEDCOM pedigree tree:

Kit number: A279840

She is Sioux with some Crow and small European (French) admixture:

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 65.91 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.43 Pct
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.78 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.35 Pct
Fennoscandian 5.04 Pct
French 1.72 Pct
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 1.51 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.06 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 16.66 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 2.17 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 0.35 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy 0.12 Pct
West-Asian 0.4 Pct
North-European-Mesolithic 1.73 Pct
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 33.25 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 1.85 Pct
South-America_Amerind 8.71 Pct
Indian 0.63 Pct
North-Siberean -
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 2.34 Pct
Samoedic 2 Pct
Indo-Iranian 0.18 Pct
East-Siberean 2.26 Pct
North-East-European 3.41 Pct
South-African -
North-Amerind 40.61 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 1.25 Pct
Near_East 0.52 Pct
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 0.57 Pct
Austronesian 0.15 Pct

She plots like Choctaw:

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01-29-2024, 04:27 PM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2024, 04:30 PM by Tomenable.)
Another kit with a GEDCOM pedigree tree, a Choctaw guy from the Mississippi Band of Choctaw Indians:

Kit number: A032412

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 74.72 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian 1.25 Pct
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 0.95 Pct
East_Central_Euro -
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 3.27 Pct
Fennoscandian 3.23 Pct
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan 1.27 Pct
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 0.09 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.45 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 12.49 Pct
South_Asian 0.42 Pct
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.84 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy 0.09 Pct
West-Asian -
North-European-Mesolithic 1.92 Pct
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 42.59 Pct
Arctic-Amerind -
South-America_Amerind 11.71 Pct
Indian -
North-Siberean 0.1 Pct
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.77 Pct
Samoedic 0.58 Pct
Indo-Iranian -
East-Siberean 1.9 Pct
North-East-European 1.42 Pct
South-African 0.09 Pct
North-Amerind 35.54 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 2.29 Pct
Near_East -
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian -
Austronesian -
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01-29-2024, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2024, 06:43 PM by ph2ter.)
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01-29-2024, 07:53 PM
Kiowa and Arapaho:

Kit number: T513546

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 70.79 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.39 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 0.1 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian 3.8 Pct
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 0.82 Pct
East_Central_Euro 1.42 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 0.92 Pct
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 0.09 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 1.83 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian 0.12 Pct
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 17.34 Pct
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese 0.35 Pct
Volga-Ural 2.01 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy 0.12 Pct
West-Asian 0.14 Pct
North-European-Mesolithic 0.21 Pct
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 36.89 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 2.16 Pct
South-America_Amerind 7.74 Pct
Indian -
North-Siberean 0.38 Pct
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic 1.31 Pct
Samoedic -
Indo-Iranian 0.4 Pct
East-Siberean 3.23 Pct
North-East-European 0.92 Pct
South-African -
North-Amerind 43.67 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 1.48 Pct
Near_East 0.19 Pct
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 1.15 Pct
Austronesian -
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01-29-2024, 08:12 PM
Hopi-Pueblo:

Kit number: T608797

Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 70.59 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque -
Central_African -
Central_Euro -
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian 3.82 Pct
East_Central_Euro 0.72 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 0.11 Pct
Fennoscandian -
French -
Iberian -
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic -
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea -
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian 20.72 Pct
South_Asian 0.5 Pct
South_Central_Asian 1.84 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.72 Pct
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

MDLP World-22:

Population
Pygmy -
West-Asian -
North-European-Mesolithic -
Indo-Tibetan -
Mesoamerican 32.27 Pct
Arctic-Amerind 0.28 Pct
South-America_Amerind 6.16 Pct
Indian 0.27 Pct
North-Siberean 0.09 Pct
Atlantic_Mediterranean_Neolithic -
Samoedic 0.68 Pct
Indo-Iranian 0.35 Pct
East-Siberean 2.88 Pct
North-East-European -
South-African -
North-Amerind 55.53 Pct
Sub-Saharian -
East-South-Asian 1.07 Pct
Near_East -
Melanesian -
Paleo-Siberian 0.36 Pct
Austronesian -
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