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Y-haplo of Zayukovo-3:79 (Caucasus) has been revised in a new paper. This is an unreliable sample:
(01-05-2024, 01:43 AM)Rozenfeld Wrote: (01-04-2024, 08:25 PM)Sephesakueu Wrote: Koban culture genome-wide and archeological data open the bridge between Bronze and Iron Ages in the North Caucasus
Fedor S. Sharko, Eugenia S. Boulygina,
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41431-023-01524-4
Do any of you guys have access to this one? Perhaps take a look if we have any new y-dna data.
Burial site and ancient individual ID Library name Sex hapCon estimate Y-haplogroup call
Klin-Yar III:ID355 Lib2al Female 0.286153 Not possible
Zayukovo-3:ID72 Lib7al Male 0.042127 G2a1a1a1b1
Zayukovo-3:ID79/1 Lib8al Male 0.449777 Not accessible
Zayukovo-3:ID80 Lib9al Male 0.016644 G2a1a1a
Zayukovo-3:ID82/1 Lib11al Male 0.017636 R1b1a1b
Bratskiye 1-ye Kurgany:ID1402 Lib40al Female 0.338059 Not possible
Half of samples are quite contaminated
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Too bad, it would be a great fit, since we got E-L618 from nearby in Hungary on the one side and in Bulgaria outliers on the other side of the Carpathians. Its pretty obvious that E-L618 is most likely to have had produced E-V13 and that this branch survived in the Inner Carpathians being the most likely scenario, with some outliers here and there on both sides just proving the point.
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(01-16-2024, 11:11 AM)Riverman Wrote: Too bad, it would be a great fit, since we got E-L618 from nearby in Hungary on the one side and in Bulgaria outliers on the other side of the Carpathians. Its pretty obvious that E-L618 is most likely to have had produced E-V13 and that this branch survived in the Inner Carpathians being the most likely scenario, with some outliers here and there on both sides just proving the point.
anyway this sample belong a subclade E-L618 , but it's too bad coverage
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(01-15-2024, 09:02 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: I will posted again this result maybe it's low coverage
NEO145 Hungary Csongrád Gorzsa Cukormajor -4799 Tisza MN E-M132
NEO147 Hungary Csongrád Gorzsa Cukormajor -4774 Tisza MN E-M132
I think this samples E-M35 < V68 < M78 <Z1919< L618
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0
These two are females.
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(01-17-2024, 12:33 PM)Pribislav Wrote: (01-15-2024, 09:02 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: I will posted again this result maybe it's low coverage
NEO145 Hungary Csongrád Gorzsa Cukormajor -4799 Tisza MN E-M132
NEO147 Hungary Csongrád Gorzsa Cukormajor -4774 Tisza MN E-M132
I think this samples E-M35 < V68 < M78 <Z1919< L618
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1...edit#gid=0
These two are females.
oh thanks you so its only false SNP
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4.8 SSA
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(03-10-2024, 05:04 PM)Qrts Wrote: 'E1b1b1b' from Pompeii
Link: https://www.repository.unipr.it/bitstrea...ariato.pdf
is seems to me this sample belong a subclade E-Z830 because mtDNA U7 is from Near East
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Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
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36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
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Quite a few E individuals from the new study "Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages":
Code: CGG018920 8/75 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia Trnava NA 1000 1075 800 950 875 Medieval Slav_Avars CGG018920 1.89058 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG018923 40/79 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia Trnava NA 1000 1075 800 950 875 Medieval Slav_Avars CGG018923 0.342878 E1b1b1a1b1a1~ NA NA
CGG021473 5656-34 CentralEasternEurope Crimea Chersonesus_City NA 2250 2350 -500 -300 -400 IronAge CGG021473 1.28122 E1b1b1a1b1a2~ NA NA
CGG021475 5656-24 CentralEasternEurope Crimea Chersonesus_City NA 2250 2350 -500 -300 -400 IronAge CGG021475 1.16642 E1b1b1a1b1a16a~ NA NA
CGG021897 Madaras_427 CentralEasternEurope Hungary Madaras-Halmok 0-400CE NA 1450 1650 100 500 300 MigrationPeriod Sarmatian CGG021897 1.6833 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG021918 Kiskundorozsma_1537 CentralEasternEurope Hungary Kiskundorozsma 1285 1176 1228 670 774 722 MigrationPeriod Sarmatian CGG021918 1.51285 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG021935 Gerulata_Grave_21 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia 0-400CE 1800 1695 1715 216 255 236 IronAge Roman CGG021935 1.01473 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG023656 Camp_du_Château_1910_Corps_5 WesternEurope France Bourgogne_Franche_Compt 1312 1176 1235 656 774 715 Medieval LateAntiquity CGG023656 4.64288 E1b1b1a1b1a6a~ NA NA
CGG023722 Camp_du_Château_Sépulture_1922 WesternEurope France Bourgogne_Franche_Compt 400CE-700CE 1405 1292 1319 605 658 632 Medieval LateAntiquity CGG023722 9.68389 E1b1b1b2a1a1a1a1f1b1a1 NA NA
CGG105934 A16 F18 NorthernEurope Sweden Southern Sweden/ Skåne 1-400AD NA 1550 1750 1 400 201 IronAge Roman CGG105934 0.60016099999999994 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG106737 NM827/47, NorthernEurope Denmark Lollands Nørre 2810 2855 2908 -1011 -905 -958 Late Bronze Age CGG106737 1.57672 E1b1b1b1a1e1b1~ NA NA
CGG106750 NM1 404/71, FHM 450/63, NorthernEurope Denmark_Baltic Bornholms Sønder 1-400 CE NA 1550 1750 1 400 201 IronAge Roman CGG106750 4.75293 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG106782 LMR12077 - Grav AO3 NorthernEurope Denmark Langelands Sønder 750-1050AD NA 900 1050 750 1050 900 Viking CGG106782 0.657612 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG107765 CL030 (I114) WesternEurope Netherlands Province South-Holland 1926 1890 1966 -91 60 -16 IronAge EarlyRoman CGG107765 0.65347 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
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Interesting to see the two Sarmatians belonging to different E clades - E-V13 and E-M84 (E1b1b1b2a1a6d2).
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(03-14-2024, 06:13 PM)Qrts Wrote: Quite a few E individuals from the new study "Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages":
Code: CGG018920 8/75 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia Trnava NA 1000 1075 800 950 875 Medieval Slav_Avars CGG018920 1.89058 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG018923 40/79 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia Trnava NA 1000 1075 800 950 875 Medieval Slav_Avars CGG018923 0.342878 E1b1b1a1b1a1~ NA NA
CGG021473 5656-34 CentralEasternEurope Crimea Chersonesus_City NA 2250 2350 -500 -300 -400 IronAge CGG021473 1.28122 E1b1b1a1b1a2~ NA NA
CGG021475 5656-24 CentralEasternEurope Crimea Chersonesus_City NA 2250 2350 -500 -300 -400 IronAge CGG021475 1.16642 E1b1b1a1b1a16a~ NA NA
CGG021897 Madaras_427 CentralEasternEurope Hungary Madaras-Halmok 0-400CE NA 1450 1650 100 500 300 MigrationPeriod Sarmatian CGG021897 1.6833 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG021918 Kiskundorozsma_1537 CentralEasternEurope Hungary Kiskundorozsma 1285 1176 1228 670 774 722 MigrationPeriod Sarmatian CGG021918 1.51285 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG021935 Gerulata_Grave_21 CentralEasternEurope Slovakia 0-400CE 1800 1695 1715 216 255 236 IronAge Roman CGG021935 1.01473 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG023656 Camp_du_Château_1910_Corps_5 WesternEurope France Bourgogne_Franche_Compt 1312 1176 1235 656 774 715 Medieval LateAntiquity CGG023656 4.64288 E1b1b1a1b1a6a~ NA NA
CGG023722 Camp_du_Château_Sépulture_1922 WesternEurope France Bourgogne_Franche_Compt 400CE-700CE 1405 1292 1319 605 658 632 Medieval LateAntiquity CGG023722 9.68389 E1b1b1b2a1a1a1a1f1b1a1 NA NA
CGG105934 A16 F18 NorthernEurope Sweden Southern Sweden/ Skåne 1-400AD NA 1550 1750 1 400 201 IronAge Roman CGG105934 0.60016099999999994 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG106737 NM827/47, NorthernEurope Denmark Lollands Nørre 2810 2855 2908 -1011 -905 -958 Late Bronze Age CGG106737 1.57672 E1b1b1b1a1e1b1~ NA NA
CGG106750 NM1 404/71, FHM 450/63, NorthernEurope Denmark_Baltic Bornholms Sønder 1-400 CE NA 1550 1750 1 400 201 IronAge Roman CGG106750 4.75293 E1b1b1b2a1a6d2~ NA NA
CGG106782 LMR12077 - Grav AO3 NorthernEurope Denmark Langelands Sønder 750-1050AD NA 900 1050 750 1050 900 Viking CGG106782 0.657612 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
CGG107765 CL030 (I114) WesternEurope Netherlands Province South-Holland 1926 1890 1966 -91 60 -16 IronAge EarlyRoman CGG107765 0.65347 E1b1b1a1b1a E1b E1b-V13
(03-14-2024, 07:23 PM)Qrts Wrote: Interesting to see the two Sarmatians belonging to different E clades - E-V13 and E-M84 (E1b1b1b2a1a6d2).
The Slovakian samples look more deeply rooted, the Sarmatians from South Hungary look fairly mixed (steppe, locals and Imperial Romans). It will be interesting to see whether the Slovakians have the same or a different autosomal profile compared to those mixed Sarmatians.
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(03-14-2024, 07:23 PM)Qrts Wrote: Interesting to see the two Sarmatians belonging to different E clades - E-V13 and E-M84 (E1b1b1b2a1a6d2).
It's expected in many ways that in such frontier areas of the Roman Empire we'll find all kinds of different haplogroups. There's a J-P58 and a J-L283 in the same area.
I think that some samples like E-M123 from north Europe in the pre-Roman era may be misdated.
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(04-18-2024, 12:16 PM)Qrts Wrote: Two new E-M35 samples from Ukraine:
Paper: A genomic history of the North Pontic Region from the Neolithic to the Bronze Age
for sample I3151 isnt new , its found in this paper
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
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Is anyone familiar with ancient E-V22 samples? Please contribute:
https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?...6#pid18026
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New (?) samples from Late Antiquity Dalmatia:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...94056v1?ct
I35009 G1 HR_G1_s male 9m-1y infant Not related cribra orbitalia -16,2 12,7 No genetic data E1b1b1a1b1
I34296 G14 HR_G14_a male 30-40 middle adult Not related trauma -18,7 7,7 HV11 E1b1b1a1b1
I33886 G12-A7 / male adult adult Family-A (2nd with I34981,I33888; 2/3rd with I34301) AMTL, caries, alveolar abscess, alveolar resorption, dental wear, dental enamel hypoplasia / / HV E1b1a1a1a1c1b2a2
E1b1a1a1a1c1b2a2 is probably E-Z6025 which is an (rather West-) African lineage.
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