Genome sequences of 36,000- to 37,000-year-old modern humans at Buran-Kaya III in Cri
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10-28-2023, 10:12 AM
As far as I understand, scientists have not yet clarified the time and ways of ANE entering the territory of Eastern Europe. It was most likely after Gravettian.
10-28-2023, 10:45 AM
(10-28-2023, 10:12 AM)Gordius Wrote: As far as I understand, scientists have not yet clarified the time and ways of ANE entering the territory of Eastern Europe. It was most likely after Gravettian. It could be that ANE lingered for thousand of years after its formation both west and east of the urals. Obviously confined itself only in far eastern europe reaching more western locations after the LGM. (10-28-2023, 10:45 AM)old europe Wrote:(10-28-2023, 10:12 AM)Gordius Wrote: As far as I understand, scientists have not yet clarified the time and ways of ANE entering the territory of Eastern Europe. It was most likely after Gravettian. Maybe. It is also interesting what archaeological cultures it could have brought, it must be some powerful flow that displaced earlier populations (or came to an empty place in case of their disappearance).
10-28-2023, 03:17 PM
Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049 37.2 Iberomaurusian 36.8 Early_European_Farmer 12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer 8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist 4.8 SSA 0.4 Iran_Neolithic FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2 Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta + 3% Iberian Peninsula 23andME : 100% North Africa WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA) Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
10-29-2023, 11:42 PM
(10-28-2023, 10:08 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: I think the culprit is because the sample had a duplicate and they were both titled with that in the 1240K dataset. That's why it was left out. If it had a duplicate why not just avoid including the duplicate but include one of them? I am still confused.
11-02-2023, 03:18 PM
https://www.cell.com/iscience/pdf/S2589-...2360-X.pdf
Summary Six infant human teeth and 112 animal tooth pendants from Borsuka Cave were identified as the oldest burial in Poland. However, uncertainties around the dating and the association of the teeth to the pendants have precluded their association to an Upper Palaeolithic archaeological industry. Using <67 mg per tooth, we combined dating and genetic analyses of two human teeth and six herbivore tooth pendants to address these questions. Our interdisciplinary approach yielded informative results despite limited sampling material, and high levels of degradation and contamination. Our results confirm the Palaeolithic origin of the human remains and herbivore pendants, and permit us to identify the infant as female and discuss the association of the assemblage with different Palaeolithic industries. This study exemplifies the progress that has been made towards minimally destructive methods and the benefits of integrating methods to maximise data retrieval from precious but highly degraded and contaminated prehistoric material. Quote from the paper: mtdna The resulting molecular date was estimated at 33,533 years BP (95% highest posterior density interval: 28,200 - 38,935 years BP) and the mtDNA genome falls within haplogroup U6 (Fig. 6a). Haplogroup U6 is most commonly observed in Northern Africa in present-day humans, and has previously only been observed in Palaeolithic Europe in the specimens from the site of Peştera Muierii in Romania (~34,000 years old). similarity with other paleolithic samples Basal Eurasian ancestry was not detected in the Borsuka individual (Supplementary Tables 9-10, Methods Details). Among ancient individuals, the Borsuka individual shared the most alleles with the ~35 ka cal BP Bacho Kiro Cave individual (BK1653), Muierii 1, ~31 ka cal BP Věstonice 16 and ~34 ka cal BP Sunghir individuals when tested with f3-statistics (Supplementary Table 11). When directly comparing the genetic affinity of the Borsuka individual with other ancient individuals with D-statistics, the Borsuka female has a greater affinity to the Gravettian and Aurignacian individuals2 (Supplementary Figs. 4-5, Supplementary Table 12). However, no significant difference was observed in the affinity of the Borsuka child to the Věstonice vs Sunghir vs BK1653 vs Muierii1 individuals, precluding the direct association of the Borsuka girl with one of these groups. It seems they found another aurignacian ( eastern variant that followed the balkan-danubian route) sample.
Unfortunately...
Quote:The high amount of modern human contamination in the genetic data recovered from C7/675 required all downstream analysis to be restricted to putatively deaminated fragments only. This limited the data to only 46,286 SNPs in the ‘1240k’ panel.So it won't be useful for any in depth analysis. Can anyone find the supplementary info though? I'd be interested to see table 11.
11-02-2023, 08:03 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-02-2023, 08:08 PM by Norfern-Ostrobothnian.)
I did some PMDS filtering on the sample leaving around 150 K SNPs, although I don't know if that is enough either
Code: Poland_Borsuka_MUP:C7675,0.095611,0.106631,0.056191,0.055556,0.037238,0.015897,0.00752,0.006,0.010431,-0.01221,0.000487,-0.002847,0.01442,0.009771,0.002307,0.006099,0.000391,0.002154,0.005405,-0.00025,0.004118,0.005441,-0.000863,-0.006748,0.002155 PCA:
11-03-2023, 09:29 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2023, 09:30 AM by PopGenist82.)
As a Gravettian era from Poland shed be squarely within the Vestonice group: mix of BK-1653 & Sunghir.
11-03-2023, 09:58 AM
(This post was last modified: 11-03-2023, 10:00 AM by old europe.)
(11-03-2023, 09:29 AM)PopGenist82 Wrote: As a Gravettian era from Poland shed be squarely within the Vestonice group: mix of BK-1653 & Sunghir. the "mix" of BK1653 and Sunghir could easily being not a real mix. I think they are taking Sunghir as too much old. I checked and it seems that the mainstream view is that Sunghir is on average 32000 years old so likely 30000 BC. What we call the Vestonice cluster could be just a reprentative as I stated earlier of an eastern balkan/danubian aurignacian population that expanded eastward. Probably aurignacian expansion in Europe mirrored what we see with the arrival of agricolture 35000 years later. A mediterranean expansion which was more Goyet/Fournol like and a balkan route that was more Muierii/Kostenki like.
12-06-2023, 01:29 AM
(11-02-2023, 07:45 PM)Kale Wrote: Unfortunately... The Borsuka Cave paper is now fully accessible, supplementaries too. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/ar...422302360X
12-08-2023, 01:46 AM
Was anyone able to find any leads on BK3Cs haplogroup? The Chinese yfull clone called it as I, which is very possible given their autosomal dna, but I don't know their methodology at all so I'm skeptical.
https://www.theytree.com/sample/5cdd0ef1...79721.html
12-08-2023, 02:04 PM
(12-08-2023, 01:46 AM)Enki Wrote: Was anyone able to find any leads on BK3Cs haplogroup? The Chinese yfull clone called it as I, which is very possible given their autosomal dna, but I don't know their methodology at all so I'm skeptical. Mt-DNA: BK3C is U* (manually confirmed) BK3A is pre-N1b (manually confirmed) Y-DNA: BK3C is descendant to F, but ancestral to F-Y27277, G, H, I, J, L, M, N, O, P, S, T, so I would bet my money on K and probably K2a like UstIshim, Oase1 and BK1653, however since there are no reads to prove it, he could also be F*,GHIJK*,GHIJ*,IJK*,IJ*,K*,K2b,LT* BK3A is CT but not F, so likely C and probably C1 like many European ancients, but anything below C is speculation since there are not enough reads. |
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