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(10-17-2023, 05:51 PM)ph2ter Wrote: (10-17-2023, 02:23 PM)Sailcius Wrote: Hello Ph2ter, there are a few west Iberian (Portuguese) BA samples which you could use to complement the map - or future ones - although I am unfamiliar with their quality:
Code: Portugal_MBA.SG:MonteGato104_noUDG.SG,0.122929,0.145221,0.064111,-0.005491,0.067705,-0.008088,-0.00658,0.009461,0.043973,0.065241,-0.001299,0.014837,-0.026462,-0.022432,0.0057,0.010077,0.024251,-0.003801,-0.001131,-0.006503,0.00861,0.003833,-0.013804,-0.020123,0.001557
Portugal_MBA.SG:TV3831_noUDG.SG,0.122929,0.153345,0.050157,-0.007106,0.064935,-0.018128,0,0.001615,0.048063,0.059956,0.005196,0.005995,-0.020069,-0.017203,0.007057,0.007292,-0.006389,0.004434,-0.001508,-0.000875,0.003119,0.006801,-0.019473,-0.020967,0.002395
Portugal_MBA.SG:TV32032extra_noUDG.SG,0.118376,0.161469,0.059208,-0.018734,0.068628,-0.008088,0.000235,0.003692,0.041109,0.059591,0.001949,0.012889,-0.029881,-0.010322,0.003393,-0.01485,-0.01708,0.003674,-0.009176,-0.003126,0.006863,-0.000742,-0.017501,-0.025907,-0.008861
Portugal_MBA.SG:ValeOuro10207_noUDG.SG,0.117238,0.156392,0.05242,-0.001615,0.06432,0.000279,-0.014571,0.010846,0.043564,0.058498,0.007795,0.015286,-0.002676,0.003028,0.005972,0.005569,-0.000261,-0.00152,0.015964,-0.002001,-0.004866,0.004081,-0.004683,-0.021208,-0.001197
It is interesting that you are more similar to Adriatic MBA than Iberian MBA (probably because of the higher level of Steppe):
I know this know this is not really related to this conversation but is the Ploiești ba sample in the same culture with arman ba samples?
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(10-17-2023, 07:08 PM)Ioas Wrote: I know this know this is not really related to this conversation but is the Ploiești ba sample in the same culture with arman ba samples?
This MBA map uses only the samples from about 1200 BC - 2000 BC.
Ploiesti is out of this period. Arman_BA are the only samples from Romania on the map.
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(10-17-2023, 05:51 PM)ph2ter Wrote: (10-17-2023, 02:23 PM)Sailcius Wrote: Hello Ph2ter, there are a few west Iberian (Portuguese) BA samples which you could use to complement the map - or future ones - although I am unfamiliar with their quality:
Code: Portugal_MBA.SG:MonteGato104_noUDG.SG,0.122929,0.145221,0.064111,-0.005491,0.067705,-0.008088,-0.00658,0.009461,0.043973,0.065241,-0.001299,0.014837,-0.026462,-0.022432,0.0057,0.010077,0.024251,-0.003801,-0.001131,-0.006503,0.00861,0.003833,-0.013804,-0.020123,0.001557
Portugal_MBA.SG:TV3831_noUDG.SG,0.122929,0.153345,0.050157,-0.007106,0.064935,-0.018128,0,0.001615,0.048063,0.059956,0.005196,0.005995,-0.020069,-0.017203,0.007057,0.007292,-0.006389,0.004434,-0.001508,-0.000875,0.003119,0.006801,-0.019473,-0.020967,0.002395
Portugal_MBA.SG:TV32032extra_noUDG.SG,0.118376,0.161469,0.059208,-0.018734,0.068628,-0.008088,0.000235,0.003692,0.041109,0.059591,0.001949,0.012889,-0.029881,-0.010322,0.003393,-0.01485,-0.01708,0.003674,-0.009176,-0.003126,0.006863,-0.000742,-0.017501,-0.025907,-0.008861
Portugal_MBA.SG:ValeOuro10207_noUDG.SG,0.117238,0.156392,0.05242,-0.001615,0.06432,0.000279,-0.014571,0.010846,0.043564,0.058498,0.007795,0.015286,-0.002676,0.003028,0.005972,0.005569,-0.000261,-0.00152,0.015964,-0.002001,-0.004866,0.004081,-0.004683,-0.021208,-0.001197
It is interesting that you are more similar to Adriatic MBA than Iberian MBA (probably because of the higher level of Steppe):
Yeah that's probably the main reason, all these BA Iberian samples are generally very low in Yamnaya-related ancestry, almost spectacularly low in this case (southern Portugal MBA).
No doubt the LBA and/or EIA brought about important changes, although we haven't really seen any NW BA Iberian ones to check whether or not they are similar to other peninsular ones. Barring possible, but improbable or very minor, influence from the Atlantic Bronze Age I don't expect it to be very different from central Spain (Cogotas and such).
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My autosmal moving gif maps through the ages:
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(10-18-2023, 10:19 AM)ph2ter Wrote: My autosmal moving gif maps through the ages:
Nice. This shows that one's admixture moves and migrates, something we should consider when we discuss where a particular group, clan or haplogroup was located in the past. It may really depend upon the era. By the way Ph2ter, are you able to do a heat map for pos554 please?
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(10-18-2023, 10:51 AM)leonardo Wrote: Nice. This shows that one's admixture moves and migrates, something we should consider when we discuss where a particular group, clan or haplogroup was located in the past. It may really depend upon the era. By the way Ph2ter, are you able to do a heat map for pos554 please?
poz554 through the ages:
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(10-16-2023, 01:56 PM)ph2ter Wrote: (10-15-2023, 02:04 PM)Dewsloth Wrote: Can you run this Swedish "LN" DF19 sample?
SWE_N_Vattenledningen:NEO52__BC_1816,0.117238,0.105615,0.075801,0.071706,0.033545,0.025379,0.005405,0.017076,-0.006749,-0.001458,-0.00682,-0.005545,-0.019326,-0.009358,0.030537,0.016441,0.002477,0.007221,-0.005908,-0.00025,-0.00287,-0.00643,-0.006779,0.020364,0.003353
Here is NEO52 MBA map:
Hello ph2ter,
When you have the time, would you please run some of your maps for the final I1 samples from the Allentoft paper:
NEO93:NEO93,0.124067,0.126941,0.063733,0.065246,0.039084,0.021475,0.003995,0.006461,0.002045,-0.006014,0.002923,3e-04,-0.005946,-0.001651,0.021987,-0.008353,-0.02021,0.002154,0.006159,0.001751,0.006239,0.004328,0.002095,0.008194,-0.00467
NEO261:NEO261,0.122929,0.137096,0.067882,0.065246,0.042469,0.020359,0.004465,0.010846,0.014317,-0.006014,-0.009419,0.002997,-0.001338,0.002202,0.028908,-0.005701,-0.016689,0.00076,0.004274,0.010505,0.015597,0.006059,-0.001849,0.013978,-0.006466
NEO815:NEO815,0.122929,0.137096,0.084098,0.073644,0.050471,0.016176,0.000235,0.010384,0.02168,0.00328,-0.021598,0.004796,-0.016799,0.013349,0.031351,0.004773,-0.015255,0.009375,-0.001508,-0.003502,0.029198,-0.007048,-0.007888,0.001566,0.010179
NEO875:NEO875,0.113823,0.123895,0.046009,0.06137,0.030775,0.030399,0.00658,0.004846,-0.006749,-0.009476,-0.00406,0.009442,-0.00669,-0.004266,0.0057,0.019225,-0.018645,0.003294,0.015335,-0.000375,0.009733,0.009521,-0.009367,0.001205,0.006466
From: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...LhFe-/view
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(10-22-2023, 05:06 PM)JMcB Wrote: Hello ph2ter,
When you have the time, would you please run some of your maps for the final I1 samples from the Allentoft paper:
NEO93:NEO93,0.124067,0.126941,0.063733,0.065246,0.039084,0.021475,0.003995,0.006461,0.002045,-0.006014,0.002923,3e-04,-0.005946,-0.001651,0.021987,-0.008353,-0.02021,0.002154,0.006159,0.001751,0.006239,0.004328,0.002095,0.008194,-0.00467
NEO261:NEO261,0.122929,0.137096,0.067882,0.065246,0.042469,0.020359,0.004465,0.010846,0.014317,-0.006014,-0.009419,0.002997,-0.001338,0.002202,0.028908,-0.005701,-0.016689,0.00076,0.004274,0.010505,0.015597,0.006059,-0.001849,0.013978,-0.006466
NEO815:NEO815,0.122929,0.137096,0.084098,0.073644,0.050471,0.016176,0.000235,0.010384,0.02168,0.00328,-0.021598,0.004796,-0.016799,0.013349,0.031351,0.004773,-0.015255,0.009375,-0.001508,-0.003502,0.029198,-0.007048,-0.007888,0.001566,0.010179
NEO875:NEO875,0.113823,0.123895,0.046009,0.06137,0.030775,0.030399,0.00658,0.004846,-0.006749,-0.009476,-0.00406,0.009442,-0.00669,-0.004266,0.0057,0.019225,-0.018645,0.003294,0.015335,-0.000375,0.009733,0.009521,-0.009367,0.001205,0.006466
From: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...LhFe-/view
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(10-22-2023, 09:25 PM)ph2ter Wrote: (10-22-2023, 05:06 PM)JMcB Wrote: Hello ph2ter,
When you have the time, would you please run some of your maps for the final I1 samples from the Allentoft paper:
NEO93:NEO93,0.124067,0.126941,0.063733,0.065246,0.039084,0.021475,0.003995,0.006461,0.002045,-0.006014,0.002923,3e-04,-0.005946,-0.001651,0.021987,-0.008353,-0.02021,0.002154,0.006159,0.001751,0.006239,0.004328,0.002095,0.008194,-0.00467
NEO261:NEO261,0.122929,0.137096,0.067882,0.065246,0.042469,0.020359,0.004465,0.010846,0.014317,-0.006014,-0.009419,0.002997,-0.001338,0.002202,0.028908,-0.005701,-0.016689,0.00076,0.004274,0.010505,0.015597,0.006059,-0.001849,0.013978,-0.006466
NEO815:NEO815,0.122929,0.137096,0.084098,0.073644,0.050471,0.016176,0.000235,0.010384,0.02168,0.00328,-0.021598,0.004796,-0.016799,0.013349,0.031351,0.004773,-0.015255,0.009375,-0.001508,-0.003502,0.029198,-0.007048,-0.007888,0.001566,0.010179
NEO875:NEO875,0.113823,0.123895,0.046009,0.06137,0.030775,0.030399,0.00658,0.004846,-0.006749,-0.009476,-0.00406,0.009442,-0.00669,-0.004266,0.0057,0.019225,-0.018645,0.003294,0.015335,-0.000375,0.009733,0.009521,-0.009367,0.001205,0.006466
From: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...LhFe-/view
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Thank you, ph2ter! Those are very interesting! Would you mind running them against the moderns, too? I believe that’s what the earlier ones were. So it would be nice to see apples against apples. My apologies, I should’ve been more precise before.
Thanks again!
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