West Asian qpAdm models

[Jerome]

Btw,I wanted to ask does anyone have g25 coordinates (simulated should work too) for Palestinian Muslims from different regions?
Like West Bank vs Gaza.
Nablus,Ramallah etc.

[Qrts]

Hello @Qrts

“ It's not 20%. It's between 0 and 11% for most groups affected by it.”


Which groups have least(0%) and highest(10%) of this eastern ancestry ??

Also u remember u claimed that there was meso mix in Levantine groups during iron age did u confirm that by qpAdm?
Also can u make more models with more eastern sources bc I personally can't believe Scythian  “ sirwal, citrus fruits, sugar canes, chickens, and Indian elephants”brought these things to Levant.

The highest eastern admixture observed was in some of the Syrian samples, just under 30%. The admixture was never believed to be Scythian but something resembling Iron age/antiquity Iranian populations of Central Asia, which may have arrived during the Seleucid period. Alternatively an equal hypothesis is that the admixture is from freshly arrived Iranian migrants or deportees who settled to the west of the Zagros. However it can't be from plateau Iranians.

As for Mesopotamian admixture it's not possible to model with qpAdm since they're too similar to Levantine groups. Unusually high IBD sharing with Levantines and an apparent shift in G25 could point toward real Mesopotamian admixture in Levantines, which would corroborate with Mesopotamia's population reduction at the time the Levant was expanding. This coupled with archaeological data.

[Jerome]

As for Mesopotamian admixture it's not possible to model with qpAdm since they're too similar to Levantine groups.

Hey,@Qrts do you have coordinates for Palestinian muslims and Christians from various regions?
Like it's in this image below?
https://files.catbox.moe/bryqq1.jpg

Taken from here
Https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comment...rom_nablus

I have been searching for coordinates like this on several platforms,but to no avail.

The Palestinian muslim samples are from hgdp ramla,which south Palestine and aren't representative as a whole of Palestinians.

[Qrts]

As for Mesopotamian admixture it's not possible to model with qpAdm since they're too similar to Levantine groups.

Hey,@Qrts do you have coordinates for Palestinian muslims and Christians from various regions?
Like it's in this image below?
https://files.catbox.moe/bryqq1.jpg

Taken from here
Https://www.reddit.com/r/23andme/comment...rom_nablus

I have been searching for coordinates like this on several platforms,but to no avail.

The Palestinian muslim samples are from hgdp ramla,which south Palestine and aren't representative as a whole of Palestinians.

Aside from the available samples unfortunately I do not. We'll have to keep using these 'central' Palestinians for now. There's no reason to think the samples in the screenshot are legit when nothing of the sort has been made public.

But these Jordanian samples are highly likely Palestinians from Amman:

Code:

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JordanianB:8AM74,0.015935,0.122879,-0.044123,-0.066538,-0.007078,-0.0251,-0.004465,-0.001846,0.017385,-0.005649,0.009094,-0.013488,0.013379,-0.002752,-0.000543,0.003182,-0.000261,0.0019,-0.001006,0.010255,-0.005615,-0.004946,0.002465,0.002048,-0.006227
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JordanianB:15AM65,0.067156,0.136081,-0.041106,-0.067184,-0.009848,-0.024263,-0.00893,-0.004615,0.01084,0.002551,0.005846,-0.003597,0.007879,-0.000413,-0.002172,0.002784,0.000782,0.003421,0.000377,0.010255,0.002496,0.001484,0.003574,0.003133,0.000958
JordanianB:16AM66,0.043253,0.138112,-0.049026,-0.076228,-0.018773,-0.03263,-0.009635,-0.003,0.010431,-0.000729,0.008444,-0.006294,0.01665,0.001514,-0.000543,0.000265,-0.00339,0.00114,0.003142,0,0.001248,-0.002102,0.000739,-0.000843,0.001916
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JordanianB:2AM66,0.047806,0.137096,-0.044123,-0.081719,-0.010771,-0.023427,-0.00893,0.001615,0.022702,0.001822,0.007795,-0.008542,0.024975,0.007707,0.0057,0.002387,-0.015516,0.003547,0.004399,0.001501,0.000374,0.005564,0.001479,-0.002169,-0.001916
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JordanianB:13AM58,0.044391,0.137096,-0.047517,-0.083657,-0.018465,-0.033188,-0.005405,-0.002077,0.017794,-0.001458,0.012666,-0.01169,0.022894,0.000963,0.005972,0.01538,-0.011083,0.005068,-0.001383,0.002626,0.004118,-0.000124,0.001972,-0.000241,-0.001317
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JordanianB:Aut-11-11-42-03,0.054635,0.140143,-0.052043,-0.078489,-0.01231,-0.024821,-0.00564,-0.011076,0.010635,0.006378,0.007307,-0.004196,0.014866,-0.007982,0.000679,0.010077,0.001043,0.001647,-0.001885,-0.002001,-0.004617,-0.008037,-0.00493,-0.000843,0.00467
JordanianB:3AM58,0.045529,0.132019,-0.046763,-0.072029,-0.008617,-0.028168,-0.003995,0.000231,0.011453,0.000547,0.007145,-0.010041,0.015461,0.003165,-0.003393,0.007558,-0.00665,0.004307,-0.001006,-0.000875,0.00861,0.004328,0.00037,0.005663,0.004071
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JordanianB:Aut-11-09-39-03,0.048944,0.135065,-0.043369,-0.063954,-0.013541,-0.026216,-0.005875,-0.000923,0.003272,0.002916,0.004547,-0.004196,0.014717,-0.003716,0.000814,0.0118,0.015776,-0.000633,-0.000628,0.004877,-0.003494,0.000495,0.003451,0.00012,0.001317
JordanianB:3AM77,0.037562,0.131003,-0.047517,-0.086241,-0.011387,-0.031794,-0.006815,-0.005307,0.020248,0.002005,0.005846,-0.01079,0.019921,0.006606,0.001493,0.001989,-0.018254,0.004307,-0.001006,0.01013,-0.000749,0.001607,0.008504,0.001928,0.001078
JordanianB:8AM77,0.037562,0.132019,-0.047894,-0.073644,-0.014156,-0.027889,-0.00611,-0.002077,0.01084,0.007836,0.00682,-0.007194,0.019772,-0.004542,-0.001086,0.010607,-0.005215,-0.000253,-0.003142,0.006128,-0.003369,-0.000989,0.003574,0.000723,0.000599
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[Qrts]

Modeling Palestinian ancestry on qpAdm:

Code:

Samaritan.DG: 95.1%
Dinka: 4.91%

p-value: 0.539

Code:

Samaritan.DG: 85.3%
Tajik_Yaghnobi: 10.1%
Dinka: 4.67%

p-value: 0.158

Several rightpops with which these models were tested with:

right = c('Russia_Ust_Ishim_HG.DG', 'Russia_Kostenki14', 'Russia_Samara_HG', 'Russia_MA1_HG.SG', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Ami.DG', 'Mixe.DG', 'Indian_GreatAndaman_100BP.SG', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Levant_C', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic', 'Spain_MBA', 'Spain_EN', 'Armenia_Berkaber_KuraAraxes_EBA', 'Turkey_Boncuklu_N', 'BantuKenya', 'IRN_Wezmeh_N', 'Iraq_Nemrik9_PPN', 'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'CHG_Kotias', 'Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic', 'Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya', 'Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG', 'ONG.SG', 'Turkey_TellKurdu_EC', 'Morocco_EN.SG', 'Morocco_LN.SG', 'Italy_Sardinia_N_oAfrica')

right = c('Mbuti.DG', 'China_Tianyuan', 'Russia_Sunghir.SG', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic', 'Serbia_EN', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Turkey_Boncuklu_N', 'Levant_C', 'Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2', 'Russia_MLBA_Sintashta', 'Georgia_Satsurblia.SG', 'Russia_Samara_HG')

right = c('Russia_Ust_Ishim_HG.DG', 'Russia_Kostenki14', 'Russia_MA1_HG.SG', 'Russia_Sunghir.SG', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Mbuti.DG', 'China_Tianyuan', 'North_Macedonia_N', 'Ami.DG', 'Mixe.DG', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic',  'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic.SG', 'ONG.SG', 'IRN_Helmand_BA2', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'Serbia_IronGates_N', 'Serbia_EN', 'Levant_C', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Turkey_N', ' Russia_MLBA_Sintashta ', 'Georgia_Satsurblia.SG', 'Russia_Samara_HG')

[KACHRASETH]

well nice thread

[Jerome]

Modeling Palestinian ancestry on qpAdm:

Code:

Samaritan.DG: 95.1%
Dinka: 4.91%

p-value: 0.539

Code:

Samaritan.DG: 85.3%
Tajik_Yaghnobi: 10.1%
Dinka: 4.67%

p-value: 0.158

Several rightpops with which these models were tested with:

right = c('Russia_Ust_Ishim_HG.DG', 'Russia_Kostenki14', 'Russia_Samara_HG', 'Russia_MA1_HG.SG', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Ami.DG', 'Mixe.DG', 'Indian_GreatAndaman_100BP.SG', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Levant_C', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic', 'Spain_MBA', 'Spain_EN', 'Armenia_Berkaber_KuraAraxes_EBA', 'Turkey_Boncuklu_N', 'BantuKenya', 'IRN_Wezmeh_N', 'Iraq_Nemrik9_PPN', 'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'CHG_Kotias', 'Russia_Caucasus_Eneolithic', 'Russia_Samara_EBA_Yamnaya', 'Russia_DevilsCave_N.SG', 'ONG.SG', 'Turkey_TellKurdu_EC', 'Morocco_EN.SG', 'Morocco_LN.SG', 'Italy_Sardinia_N_oAfrica')

right = c('Mbuti.DG', 'China_Tianyuan', 'Russia_Sunghir.SG', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic', 'Serbia_EN', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Turkey_Boncuklu_N', 'Levant_C', 'Iran_ShahrISokhta_BA2', 'Russia_MLBA_Sintashta', 'Georgia_Satsurblia.SG', 'Russia_Samara_HG')

right = c('Russia_Ust_Ishim_HG.DG', 'Russia_Kostenki14', 'Russia_MA1_HG.SG', 'Russia_Sunghir.SG', 'Ethiopia_4500BP.DG', 'Mbuti.DG', 'China_Tianyuan', 'North_Macedonia_N', 'Ami.DG', 'Mixe.DG', 'Serbia_IronGates_Mesolithic',  'Kazakhstan_Botai_Eneolithic.SG', 'ONG.SG', 'IRN_Helmand_BA2', 'Morocco_Iberomaurusian', 'Italy_North_Villabruna_HG', 'Serbia_IronGates_N', 'Serbia_EN', 'Levant_C', 'Levant_Natufian', 'Turkey_N', ' Russia_MLBA_Sintashta ', 'Georgia_Satsurblia.SG', 'Russia_Samara_HG')

Could you add bedouinB and Egyptian to the left pops?