23andMe Updates Paternal Haplogroup Assignments

[Moeca]

Nothing update for me its still E-V257

That's interesting. E-V257 is HG38 position 12363865 see http://ybrowse.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?nam.....12363865
So it should show up with a search at 23andme of chromosome Y at https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?quer...2012363865 but it doesn't so you were tested for something else equivalent and not E-V257 itself. If you search for E-Z287 position 7422413 at https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?quer...%207422413 it shows up. C is derived so you should be positive for that.

Everyone tested by 23andme v5 is tested for all of the same positions. There is a limited number of positions that are tested. You will never get a better result at 23andme v5 because there was nothing else tested that you were derived for that had a false reading. It's the same with the FTDNA Family Finder result. Once it's done there will be no updates without Big Y-700 testing or SNP pack testing at FTDNA.

Here are the SNPs relevant to you that I could find that you should have been tested for:
CTS1243/Z827
M310.1/PF2402.1
M81/PF2554
M183/Page33
M5008/PF2498
M165

Put those in to Ybrowse then get their hg38 position then copy and past that position into the 23andme Raw Genotyping Data browser and get your result. You should get results similar to https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ as far was what was tested and what the result is.

By the way, What do you get from https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ ?

I kept my V3 test and my father V4 test

I see no point in going to a V5 test .................unless you know something else

[ArmandoR1b]

I kept my V3 test and my father V4 test

I see no point in going to a V5 test .................unless you know something else

There is no point in going to a v5 test. Only a Big Y-700 or WGS at Yseq, or similar, make sense after 23andme v3 and v4.

[ArmandoR1b]

Thank you , i get in YSEQ E-L19 but negative a subclade M81, for SNPs in family Finder its seems to its better than SNPs in 23andME

Yes for some people SNPs in Family Finder is slightly better than 23andme v5 but most people with FF will still get a result that is 4 thousand of year old or more but Big Y-700 will more than half the time provide a subclade that is 2,000 years old or younger. As the Big Y database grows and there are more matches then the subclade get updated to a younger subclade based on private SNPs shared with other people.

[sirdan]

Nothing update for me its still E-V257

That's interesting. E-V257 is HG38 position 12363865 see http://ybrowse.org/gb2/gbrowse/chrY/?nam.....12363865
So it should show up with a search at 23andme of chromosome Y at https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?quer...2012363865 but it doesn't so you were tested for something else equivalent and not E-V257 itself. If you search for E-Z287 position 7422413 at https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?quer...%207422413 it shows up. C is derived so you should be positive for that.

Everyone tested by 23andme v5 is tested for all of the same positions. There is a limited number of positions that are tested. You will never get a better result at 23andme v5 because there was nothing else tested that you were derived for that had a false reading. It's the same with the FTDNA Family Finder result. Once it's done

Thanks for the hint!

I have learned I am positive at the same time for Z58 and CTS6364 while the former is false and the latter should be right according to ftdna. I believe they do not have any SNP below to test, then they chosen random between the two.

[Moeca]

I kept my V3 test and my father V4 test

I see no point in going to a V5 test .................unless you know something else

There is no point in going to a v5 test. Only a Big Y-700 or WGS at Yseq, or similar, make sense after 23andme v3 and v4.

I did BigY in 2019  and just got my T2T results....( only 6 extra snps)

regards

[Capsian20]

Thank you , i get in YSEQ E-L19 but negative a subclade M81, for SNPs in family Finder its seems to its better than SNPs in 23andME

Yes for some people SNPs in Family Finder is slightly better than 23andme v5 but most people with FF will still get a result that is 4 thousand of year old or more but Big Y-700 will more than half the time provide a subclade that is 2,000 years old or younger. As the Big Y database grows and there are more matches then the subclade get updated to a younger subclade based on private SNPs shared with other people.

Well TMRCA Haplogroup E-PF2431 is 8600 B.C so its very old subclade
I did WGS my subclade is E-A30032<A30480 TMRCA my subclade is 1615 CE ( isnt in Yfull and FTDNA because this person he is not uploaded his sample in YFull and i dont did Ybig700 )

[ArmandoR1b]

Thank you , i get in YSEQ E-L19 but negative a subclade M81, for SNPs in family Finder its seems to its better than SNPs in 23andME

Yes for some people SNPs in Family Finder is slightly better than 23andme v5 but most people with FF will still get a result that is 4 thousand of year old or more but Big Y-700 will more than half the time provide a subclade that is 2,000 years old or younger. As the Big Y database grows and there are more matches then the subclade get updated to a younger subclade based on private SNPs shared with other people.

Well TMRCA Haplogroup E-PF2431 is 8600 B.C so its very old subclade
I did WGS my subclade is E-A30032<A30480 TMRCA my subclade is 1615 CE ( isnt in Yfull and FTDNA because this person he is not uploaded his sample in YFull and i dont did Ybig700 )

There commonly are exceptions to what is normal. The number of testers from the same country of origin is relevant. How many from your country of origin are in FTDNA database? What is your country of origin? I could look the numbers up for you.

Your situation is why I prefer to get Big Y-700 then upload to YFull. We have no choice if we want to see all matches and how many private SNPs we actually have.

edit: I just realized you said 1615 CE for A30480. Thats really good!

[ArmandoR1b]

I kept my V3 test and my father V4 test

I see no point in going to a V5 test .................unless you know something else

There is no point in going to a v5 test. Only a Big Y-700 or WGS at Yseq, or similar, make sense after 23andme v3 and v4.

I did BigY in 2019  and just got my T2T results....( only 6 extra snps)

regards

I'll have to remember to look up stats for your subclade later. I do wish FTDNA gave stats for what percentage of people with Big Y-700 are still stuck with a subclade older than 4000 BC and what percentage is older than 2000 BC but less tha 4000 BC. I say that without remembering what the age of your subclade is.

[Rober_tce]

For me there isn’t changes in my haplogroup, the last update was some years ago (2020)

Only a very small percent of people will see a change. What is your haplogroup at 23andme v5? What is it with FTDNA?

The mine is R-Z209. I think my results won’t change, in scientific details still appears 2018 as last update. Is anecdotic also that I haven’t genetic groups updated (my chip is V5).

[Moeca]

There is no point in going to a v5 test. Only a Big Y-700 or WGS at Yseq, or similar, make sense after 23andme v3 and v4.

I did BigY in 2019  and just got my T2T results....( only 6 extra snps)

regards

I'll have to remember to look up stats for your subclade later. I do wish FTDNA gave stats for what percentage of people with Big Y-700 are still stuck with a subclade older than 4000 BC and what percentage is older than 2000 BC but less tha 4000 BC. I say that without remembering what the age of your subclade is.

One North Italian ( me ) and one from Lorraine France

[ArmandoR1b]

For me there isn’t changes in my haplogroup, the last update was some years ago (2020)

Only a very small percent of people will see a change. What is your haplogroup at 23andme v5? What is it with FTDNA?

The mine is R-Z209. I think my results won’t change, in scientific details still appears 2018 as last update. Is anecdotic also that I haven’t genetic groups updated (my chip is V5).

What do you get when you go to https://you.23andme.com/tools/data/?query=rs745411176 ? That is Z295 which is a subclade of Z209 but is always negative even for people that are really positive for Z209. Have you tested anywhere else? If so what is your haplogroup elsewhere?

[sirdan]

For all people with I1

Check your assingnment. They have just corrected mine to I-CTS6364 which is simply right.

[ArmandoR1b]

For all people with I1

Check your assingnment. They have just corrected mine to I-CTS6364 which is simply right.

What do you have at https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ from the 23andme raw data?

[Capsian20]

Yes for some people SNPs in Family Finder is slightly better than 23andme v5 but most people with FF will still get a result that is 4 thousand of year old or more but Big Y-700 will more than half the time provide a subclade that is 2,000 years old or younger. As the Big Y database grows and there are more matches then the subclade get updated to a younger subclade based on private SNPs shared with other people.

Well TMRCA Haplogroup E-PF2431 is 8600 B.C so its very old subclade
I did WGS my subclade is E-A30032<A30480 TMRCA my subclade is 1615 CE ( isnt in Yfull and FTDNA because this person he is not uploaded his sample in YFull and i dont did Ybig700 )

There commonly are exceptions to what is normal. The number of testers from the same country of origin is relevant. How many from your country of origin are in FTDNA database? What is your country of origin? I could look the numbers up for you.
Your situation is why I prefer to get Big Y-700 then upload to YFull. We have no choice if we want to see all matches and how many private SNPs we actually have.
edit: I just realized you said 1615 CE for A30480. Thats really good!

This my subclade in YFULL
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-A30032/
There only 2 sample in FTDNA its actually under E-A30032
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-Y141768/tree

[sirdan]

For all people with I1

Check your assingnment. They have just corrected mine to I-CTS6364 which is simply right.

What do you have at https://cladefinder.yseq.net/ from the 23andme raw data?

This is funny because I am positive green for Z2336/CTS6364+  and Next best prediction (scored 100 compared to 100) is Z58

Since I am positive for both in 23AndMe, Then it means Z58 is poor variant on genotyping chip v5.