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Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO001
0.03219570 Icelandic
0.03354442 Norwegian
0.03492250 Danish
0.03641469 Orcadian
0.03714511 Irish
0.03739761 Scottish
0.03790708 Swedish
0.03980851 English_Cornwall
0.04002329 English
0.04021347 Shetlandic
0.04052942 Welsh
0.04192899 Dutch
0.04572882 German_Hamburg
0.04703628 French_Brittany
0.05198346 German
0.05349513 BelgianA
0.05361838 Afrikaner
0.05520039 German_East
0.05749495 German_Erlangen
0.06090308 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.06105910 Czech
0.06117052 BelgianB
0.06276852 French_Nord
0.06325467 French_Seine-Maritime
0.06378900 BelgianC

RKO001 - R-P312, J1c2m

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO002
0.03616818 Dutch
0.03645379 German_Hamburg
0.03652564 German
0.03707153 Danish
0.03792224 German_Erlangen
0.03795329 Swedish
0.03838565 Norwegian
0.04066838 Afrikaner
0.04071047 Austrian
0.04075235 Slovakian
0.04231753 Czech
0.04236209 Welsh
0.04246658 Shetlandic
0.04289005 English
0.04326714 Scottish
0.04393790 Hungarian
0.04419804 Icelandic
0.04492237 French_Brittany
0.04495101 Polish_Silesian
0.04504730 BelgianB
0.04525749 Orcadian
0.04563495 English_Cornwall
0.04591223 Irish
0.04625926 German_East
0.04812864 French_Pas-de-Calais

RKO002 - I-M253, U5b2a2a

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKF275
0.02962787 Danish
0.03010319 German_Hamburg
0.03118962 German
0.03137296 Dutch
0.03335181 Swedish
0.03350102 Norwegian
0.03454204 Welsh
0.03471290 German_Erlangen
0.03665223 Icelandic
0.03717957 Scottish
0.03743551 Shetlandic
0.03750426 English
0.03763689 Orcadian
0.03812891 French_Brittany
0.03842552 Austrian
0.03880640 Irish
0.03905523 English_Cornwall
0.03937110 Czech
0.03951948 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04020409 German_East
0.04047022 Afrikaner
0.04133844 Slovakian
0.04156003 BelgianB
0.04226047 BelgianA
0.04412562 Hungarian

RKF275 - I-A6397, J1c3f

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKF274
0.03360263 French_Alsace
0.03458208 French_Nord
0.03465476 BelgianA
0.03552164 German_Erlangen
0.03579461 German
0.03632873 BelgianC
0.03740501 Swiss_German
0.03886270 Austrian
0.03903714 BelgianB
0.04058027 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04122740 German_East
0.04142164 French_Paris
0.04199223 French_Occitanie
0.04244034 English_Cornwall
0.04255715 Slovenian
0.04315894 Hungarian
0.04317445 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04337368 Welsh
0.04348395 German_Hamburg
0.04359319 French_Auvergne
0.04373736 French_Brittany
0.04406123 English
0.04413013 Dutch
0.04508498 Croatian
0.04524219 Afrikaner

RKF274 - I-S2078, H5a1

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKF278
0.03068242 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04375172 Turkish_Rumeli
0.04542144 Gagauz
0.04777815 Bulgarian
0.04854942 Romanian
0.05003389 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.05038738 Moldovan
0.05454422 Macedonian
0.05535782 Greek_Macedonia
0.05602121 Roma_Barcelona
0.05604151 Montenegrin
0.05633284 Serbian
0.05681996 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.05811155 Italian_Northeast
0.05842498 Rumelia_East
0.05855493 Swiss_Italian
0.06016863 Greek_Thessaly
0.06076316 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.06081171 Albanian
0.06221972 Italian_Emilia
0.06248354 Greek_Messenia
0.06249473 Italian_Liguria
0.06262490 Greek_Arcadia
0.06345258 Bosnian
0.06371648 Italian_Piedmont

RKF278 - female, U5a1b1c

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKF258
0.03562440 Greek_Apulia
0.03563730 Greek_Deep_Mani
0.03574993 Italian_Basilicata
0.03589091 Greek_Cyclades_Amorgos
0.03640850 Greek_South_Tsakonia
0.03651625 Italian_Campania
0.03682265 Italian_Calabria
0.03771095 Greek_Izmir
0.03821428 Italian_Apulia
0.03837451 Greek_Crete_Lasithi
0.03860515 Greek_Kos
0.03909424 Greek_Cyclades_Milos
0.04018649 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04022603 Greek_Crete
0.04053817 Greek_Cyclades_Kea
0.04114241 Greek_Cyclades_Tinos
0.04114575 Italian_Molise
0.04317332 Greek_Dodecanese
0.04339727 Italian_Lazio
0.04370083 Greek_Crete_Chania
0.04388080 Greek_Corinthia
0.04401639 Greek_Laconia
0.04406867 Sicilian_East
0.04465610 Italian_Umbria
0.04465906 Greek_Peloponnese

RKF258 - G-TY500549, HV0a

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKF255
0.02233997 Swiss_Italian
0.02386851 Italian_Tuscany
0.02429325 Italian_Piedmont
0.02490951 Italian_Emilia
0.02546391 Greek_Thessaly
0.02682130 Albanian
0.02840652 Greek_Macedonia
0.02848121 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.02873573 Italian_Marche
0.02922315 Greek_Messenia
0.02934007 Italian_Bergamo
0.02939193 Greek_Achaea
0.02954777 Italian_Veneto
0.02955146 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.02958564 Italian_Lombardy
0.03020452 Italian_Umbria
0.03022532 Greek_Corinthia
0.03027952 Rumelia_East
0.03035969 Greek_Argolis
0.03063425 Greek_Arcadia
0.03067084 Greek_Peloponnese
0.03150731 Greek_Elis
0.03158047 French_Corsica
0.03335032 Greek_East_Taygetos
0.03372989 Italian_Lazio

RKF255 - G-TY500549, HV-T16311C!
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(04-23-2024, 07:31 AM)Radko Wrote: Hungarian Sarmatians?

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Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO003
0.03262739 Montenegrin
0.03286391 Moldovan
0.03313808 Romanian
0.03424382 Austrian
0.03484014 Serbian
0.03497673 French_Alsace
0.03605652 Swiss_German
0.03748582 French_Nord
0.03771418 Hungarian
0.03802458 Italian_Northeast
0.03826222 Bosnian
0.03870586 Bulgarian
0.03892104 Croatian
0.03894160 German_Erlangen
0.03895369 BelgianB
0.03958350 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04163049 German
0.04203014 Slovenian
0.04225946 Macedonian
0.04227135 BelgianC
0.04234232 French_Provence
0.04251328 Afrikaner
0.04334316 BelgianA
0.04361714 Swiss_French
0.04435152 French_Pas-de-Calais

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO005
0.03373240 Montenegrin
0.03574778 Moldovan
0.03647127 Romanian
0.03863949 Serbian
0.04018837 Austrian
0.04030974 Bulgarian
0.04116613 Bosnian
0.04150406 Macedonian
0.04261461 Italian_Northeast
0.04337352 Hungarian
0.04407290 Croatian
0.04410372 French_Alsace
0.04577549 Swiss_German
0.04603401 BelgianB
0.04605791 German_Erlangen
0.04682931 French_Nord
0.04683369 French_Provence
0.04721680 Gagauz
0.04760144 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04832496 Slovenian
0.04875386 Swiss_French
0.04912853 Afrikaner
0.04932647 German
0.04937104 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04955907 French_Paris

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO010
0.03217301 Romanian
0.03400866 Serbian
0.03433102 Montenegrin
0.03518063 Moldovan
0.03772667 Bulgarian
0.03916773 Italian_Northeast
0.04045275 Macedonian
0.04060976 Bosnian
0.04182655 Gagauz
0.04209219 Austrian
0.04283371 French_Alsace
0.04284825 Croatian
0.04309018 Swiss_German
0.04477647 Hungarian
0.04510249 Slovenian
0.04554819 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04622315 French_Nord
0.04743464 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04747149 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04758431 German_Erlangen
0.04766664 French_Provence
0.04854462 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04906035 BelgianB
0.04957505 Italian_Veneto
0.04965513 Swiss_French

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO016
0.02981470 Austrian
0.03163258 Moldovan
0.03303903 Montenegrin
0.03392836 Romanian
0.03404634 Bosnian
0.03410912 French_Alsace
0.03455321 Serbian
0.03486282 Hungarian
0.03539985 German_Erlangen
0.03614062 Croatian
0.03658765 French_Nord
0.03731611 BelgianB
0.03818165 German
0.03818922 Swiss_German
0.03851447 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03858313 Afrikaner
0.04077822 BelgianA
0.04084997 Slovenian
0.04094732 Italian_Northeast
0.04104233 BelgianC
0.04135490 Bulgarian
0.04246558 Macedonian
0.04310168 French_Paris
0.04370161 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04401441 French_Provence

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO019
0.03096667 Italian_Northeast
0.03156194 Romanian
0.03191898 Bulgarian
0.03591949 Montenegrin
0.03638005 Italian_Veneto
0.03649273 Macedonian
0.03679737 Gagauz
0.03725318 Swiss_Italian
0.03809281 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03845905 Serbian
0.03960393 French_Provence
0.03989589 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04044091 Italian_Piedmont
0.04104889 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04215947 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04219467 Swiss_French
0.04220482 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04251769 Albanian
0.04282879 Moldovan
0.04284388 Italian_Emilia
0.04293244 Rumelia_East
0.04365383 Italian_Bergamo
0.04365446 Swiss_German
0.04410531 Greek_Macedonia
0.04494633 Greek_Thessaly

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO021
0.03711317 Moldovan
0.04037544 Austrian
0.04042841 Montenegrin
0.04053058 Bosnian
0.04149393 Hungarian
0.04186316 Croatian
0.04292730 Romanian
0.04355405 Serbian
0.04474403 German_Erlangen
0.04656449 Slovenian
0.04737163 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04806135 German
0.04823456 Bulgarian
0.04849637 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04853704 Afrikaner
0.04903116 French_Alsace
0.04988251 Macedonian
0.05010650 Swiss_German
0.05030847 BelgianB
0.05059925 French_Nord
0.05120464 Czech
0.05191131 Moldovan_o
0.05297892 Turkish_Deliorman
0.05310401 German_Hamburg
0.05317863 Slovakian

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF240
0.03886060 Italian_Northeast
0.03923758 French_Provence
0.04035925 Romanian
0.04075795 French_Alsace
0.04277692 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04286445 Bulgarian
0.04320875 Italian_Veneto
0.04340758 French_Nord
0.04352807 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04437788 Serbian
0.04447800 Swiss_German
0.04459890 French_Auvergne
0.04468666 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04506766 Swiss_French
0.04509753 French_Occitanie
0.04533270 Montenegrin
0.04567318 BelgianC
0.04635539 Italian_Piedmont
0.04666841 BelgianB
0.04682141 Spanish_Mallorca
0.04694925 French_Paris
0.04701627 Spanish_Girona
0.04759874 Italian_Bergamo
0.04762616 Macedonian
0.04762868 French_Seine-Maritime

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF246
0.03005462 French_Alsace
0.03114103 Austrian
0.03157372 Romanian
0.03171290 Swiss_German
0.03195119 Montenegrin
0.03214156 French_Nord
0.03325348 Moldovan
0.03400246 Serbian
0.03446576 BelgianB
0.03448810 Italian_Northeast
0.03454351 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03658040 German_Erlangen
0.03669703 BelgianC
0.03759813 Bosnian
0.03775305 Hungarian
0.03792355 French_Provence
0.03806628 BelgianA
0.03840567 Bulgarian
0.03852236 Croatian
0.03873174 Swiss_French
0.03878130 German
0.03889903 French_Paris
0.03954071 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04050416 Afrikaner
0.04074206 French_Auvergne

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF247
0.03814002 Moldovan
0.03916418 Austrian
0.03990715 Romanian
0.04170893 Montenegrin
0.04192106 Serbian
0.04290979 Hungarian
0.04334170 Croatian
0.04423211 Bosnian
0.04465081 French_Alsace
0.04480594 German_Erlangen
0.04546095 Slovenian
0.04562634 Bulgarian
0.04575661 Swiss_German
0.04647464 French_Nord
0.04651176 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04695457 Afrikaner
0.04787855 Macedonian
0.04793356 BelgianB
0.04807338 German
0.04864124 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04887899 BelgianA
0.04901478 Gagauz
0.04907878 Italian_Northeast
0.05079109 Turkish_Deliorman
0.05143431 BelgianC

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF249
0.03214524 Romanian
0.03438551 Moldovan
0.03490692 Serbian
0.03504186 Montenegrin
0.03603787 Bulgarian
0.03916960 Bosnian
0.04105689 Macedonian
0.04133678 Gagauz
0.04276342 Italian_Northeast
0.04398741 Austrian
0.04440366 Croatian
0.04586021 Hungarian
0.04610277 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04771438 French_Alsace
0.04835055 Slovenian
0.04880974 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04987277 French_Provence
0.05090582 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05122922 French_Nord
0.05123475 Swiss_German
0.05138828 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.05203750 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.05217438 German_Erlangen
0.05220299 Italian_Veneto
0.05228817 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF250
0.03236872 Romanian
0.03250738 Bulgarian
0.03350976 Montenegrin
0.03621931 Macedonian
0.03635034 Italian_Northeast
0.03755086 Serbian
0.03994965 Gagauz
0.04077307 Moldovan
0.04298968 Swiss_Italian
0.04303128 Italian_Veneto
0.04375050 Bosnian
0.04418892 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04423726 Rumelia_East
0.04467672 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04510302 Albanian
0.04510630 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04529222 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04533335 French_Provence
0.04593165 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04716874 Swiss_French
0.04867744 Italian_Piedmont
0.04999669 Swiss_German
0.05015668 Austrian
0.05023928 Greek_Macedonia
0.05028366 French_Alsace

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF251
0.02969384 Romanian
0.03043004 Bulgarian
0.03221693 Gagauz
0.03585649 Moldovan
0.03610858 Montenegrin
0.03629751 Serbian
0.03662806 Macedonian
0.03818095 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04021627 Italian_Northeast
0.04044181 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04524149 Bosnian
0.04604788 Greek_Macedonia
0.04645346 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04677020 Swiss_Italian
0.04677923 French_Provence
0.04699565 Rumelia_East
0.04703103 Italian_Veneto
0.04831376 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04899264 Austrian
0.04903742 French_Alsace
0.04943623 Albanian
0.04956501 Swiss_German
0.04977289 Greek_Thessaly
0.04986253 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04993552 Italian_Piedmont

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF253
0.03873914 Romanian
0.03877730 Serbian
0.04173494 Italian_Northeast
0.04176436 Macedonian
0.04216516 Bulgarian
0.04344556 Moldovan
0.04403355 Montenegrin
0.04472776 Gagauz
0.04535711 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04630827 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04642207 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04695608 French_Alsace
0.04767693 Italian_Liguria
0.04811225 Croatian
0.04813377 Bosnian
0.04832119 Slovenian
0.04859350 Swiss_German
0.04897329 Italian_Veneto
0.04971214 Austrian
0.05010743 French_Provence
0.05040262 French_Nord
0.05048442 Italian_Bergamo
0.05124165 French_Auvergne
0.05180059 Italian_Piedmont
0.05183862 Hungarian

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF254
0.03077421 Montenegrin
0.03285235 Bosnian
0.03380128 Moldovan
0.03433813 Romanian
0.03469476 Serbian
0.03725657 Croatian
0.03803726 Austrian
0.04003101 Bulgarian
0.04013818 Hungarian
0.04023187 Macedonian
0.04344076 Slovenian
0.04524105 German_Erlangen
0.04536847 Italian_Northeast
0.04583929 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04728325 French_Alsace
0.04830616 Gagauz
0.04916943 Swiss_German
0.04974522 French_Nord
0.04991790 BelgianB
0.04997243 German
0.05045526 Slovakian
0.05053046 Swiss_French
0.05117203 Moldovan_o
0.05129468 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.05137257 Czech

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF256
0.03792523 Romanian
0.04028521 Bulgarian
0.04045984 Montenegrin
0.04126236 Moldovan
0.04299995 Serbian
0.04431959 Italian_Northeast
0.04487811 Bosnian
0.04632544 Macedonian
0.04658668 Gagauz
0.04709273 Austrian
0.04828555 French_Provence
0.04874580 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04892640 Swiss_German
0.04904531 French_Alsace
0.04941007 Swiss_French
0.04953150 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04982052 Turkish_Deliorman
0.05026718 Croatian
0.05099877 Swiss_Italian
0.05108262 French_Nord
0.05141010 Hungarian
0.05159127 BelgianB
0.05197808 Italian_Veneto
0.05301818 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.05345613 French_Seine-Maritime

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF259
0.02799247 Romanian
0.02927279 Montenegrin
0.03093080 Bulgarian
0.03329268 Italian_Northeast
0.03331625 Serbian
0.03489834 Moldovan
0.03527646 Macedonian
0.03687075 Gagauz
0.03829302 Bosnian
0.03843923 French_Provence
0.04065673 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04098375 Swiss_French
0.04166931 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04189303 French_Alsace
0.04221980 Italian_Veneto
0.04247613 Austrian
0.04252819 Swiss_German
0.04270587 Swiss_Italian
0.04420570 Croatian
0.04424244 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04466316 French_Nord
0.04520813 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04559847 BelgianB
0.04635569 Rumelia_East
0.04673740 French_Auvergne

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF260
0.03528623 Moldovan
0.03630734 Romanian
0.03742177 Montenegrin
0.03772074 French_Alsace
0.03915963 Swiss_German
0.03925491 Austrian
0.03944481 Serbian
0.03968213 Bulgarian
0.04039991 Italian_Northeast
0.04075613 French_Nord
0.04081992 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04191928 BelgianB
0.04264629 Afrikaner
0.04271517 Bosnian
0.04306627 Gagauz
0.04336707 French_Provence
0.04349925 Hungarian
0.04354932 German_Erlangen
0.04404020 Macedonian
0.04418086 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04440311 Croatian
0.04523542 BelgianA
0.04533533 BelgianC
0.04560041 German
0.04686036 Swiss_French

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF262
0.02921363 Montenegrin
0.03156431 Romanian
0.03341764 Italian_Northeast
0.03423553 Serbian
0.03479438 Bulgarian
0.03615033 Moldovan
0.03712419 Macedonian
0.03854201 French_Alsace
0.03860270 French_Provence
0.03861332 Swiss_German
0.03920000 Austrian
0.03954010 Swiss_French
0.03955004 Bosnian
0.04054437 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04123620 French_Nord
0.04157855 Italian_Veneto
0.04196596 BelgianB
0.04265515 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04339784 Gagauz
0.04398581 French_Auvergne
0.04408050 Croatian
0.04448120 Hungarian
0.04472512 French_Paris
0.04492009 BelgianC
0.04497153 French_Seine-Maritime

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF268
0.01824486 Romanian
0.02019566 Montenegrin
0.02024219 Serbian
0.02142548 Macedonian
0.02256382 Bulgarian
0.02434672 Moldovan
0.02937982 Bosnian
0.03048377 Gagauz
0.03374888 Italian_Northeast
0.03395517 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.03781605 Croatian
0.04192300 Austrian
0.04194265 Hungarian
0.04212496 Slovenian
0.04240028 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04333078 Greek_Macedonia
0.04379804 Rumelia_East
0.04432079 Albanian
0.04433656 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04534398 Italian_Veneto
0.04543057 French_Alsace
0.04572824 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04635652 French_Provence
0.04690191 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04696926 Swiss_Italian

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF270
0.03523201 Austrian
0.03634160 Montenegrin
0.03643244 BelgianB
0.03665272 French_Alsace
0.03794556 French_Nord
0.03825575 Swiss_German
0.03912821 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04024702 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.04038720 German_Erlangen
0.04040582 Swiss_French
0.04087897 German
0.04116667 Romanian
0.04168439 Bosnian
0.04177101 Serbian
0.04188907 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04190751 French_Paris
0.04191658 Moldovan
0.04201098 BelgianC
0.04214469 Italian_Northeast
0.04273316 Hungarian
0.04308056 French_Provence
0.04413545 Croatian
0.04473918 Afrikaner
0.04502219 BelgianA
0.04576905 French_Auvergne

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF273
0.02253878 Romanian
0.02393895 Bulgarian
0.02627234 Gagauz
0.02815881 Macedonian
0.02888301 Serbian
0.02934254 Italian_Northeast
0.02947811 Montenegrin
0.03229016 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.03250182 Moldovan
0.03773667 Swiss_Italian
0.03786681 Greek_Macedonia
0.03807981 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03822642 Italian_Veneto
0.03909008 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03909233 Rumelia_East
0.03972074 Italian_Piedmont
0.03972287 French_Provence
0.03979845 Bosnian
0.04061705 Greek_Thessaly
0.04079049 Albanian
0.04103619 Turkish_Deliorman
0.04171398 Italian_Emilia
0.04197527 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04284450 Greek_West_Taygetos
0.04294440 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF280
0.03006447 Austrian
0.03177385 Montenegrin
0.03197053 Moldovan
0.03198265 Serbian
0.03226599 Hungarian
0.03286381 Bosnian
0.03324704 Croatian
0.03360836 German_Erlangen
0.03503190 Slovenian
0.03581702 Romanian
0.03590923 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03633659 French_Alsace
0.03724254 German
0.03738621 Swiss_German
0.03879392 French_Nord
0.03990409 BelgianB
0.04106829 BelgianA
0.04212594 Bulgarian
0.04238750 German_East
0.04248431 Macedonian
0.04361793 Italian_Northeast
0.04385883 Afrikaner
0.04395709 BelgianC
0.04405852 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04494464 German_Hamburg

Distance to: Hungary_DanubeTisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181019
0.03573180 Austrian
0.03714814 French_Alsace
0.03806638 Romanian
0.03808262 Moldovan
0.03809692 Swiss_German
0.03848077 French_Nord
0.03883395 Montenegrin
0.03982891 Serbian
0.04061927 German_Erlangen
0.04062681 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04067236 BelgianB
0.04166892 Croatian
0.04209175 Italian_Northeast
0.04229908 Hungarian
0.04273933 German
0.04278651 Bulgarian
0.04302833 BelgianA
0.04304615 Bosnian
0.04309451 Slovenian
0.04329421 BelgianC
0.04376707 French_Paris
0.04379180 Afrikaner
0.04463602 French_Provence
0.04503124 Swiss_French
0.04593161 French_Auvergne

Distance to: Hungary_DanubeTisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181020
0.03317777 Moldovan
0.03379023 Austrian
0.03380244 Romanian
0.03395047 Serbian
0.03399435 Bosnian
0.03429982 Montenegrin
0.03472914 Croatian
0.03525458 Hungarian
0.03737173 Slovenian
0.03849843 German_Erlangen
0.03982833 French_Alsace
0.04016921 Swiss_German
0.04152652 French_Nord
0.04167812 Bulgarian
0.04209786 Macedonian
0.04302496 Italian_Northeast
0.04365714 German
0.04426056 Afrikaner
0.04477570 BelgianB
0.04558108 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04593576 BelgianC
0.04619529 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.04625367 BelgianA
0.04701722 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04729658 German_East

Distance to: Hungary_Transtisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181022
0.02834697 Romanian
0.02863580 Montenegrin
0.03098735 Italian_Northeast
0.03126124 Bulgarian
0.03137905 Serbian
0.03344439 Macedonian
0.03370796 Moldovan
0.03605613 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.03607688 Swiss_German
0.03672241 French_Provence
0.03707112 Gagauz
0.03707766 French_Alsace
0.03753847 Swiss_French
0.03794071 Bosnian
0.03821343 Austrian
0.03894765 Italian_Veneto
0.03975088 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.04081747 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04107474 Croatian
0.04114458 French_Nord
0.04209059 French_Auvergne
0.04234741 BelgianB
0.04373159 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04373601 BelgianC
0.04403433 Slovenian

Distance to: Hungary_Transtisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181024
0.02431780 Bulgarian
0.02459467 Italian_Northeast
0.02516914 Romanian
0.02849440 Macedonian
0.02915109 Montenegrin
0.03205859 Gagauz
0.03260555 Italian_Veneto
0.03327891 Serbian
0.03340460 Swiss_Italian
0.03404066 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.03431926 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03490754 Albanian
0.03573857 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.03590603 Rumelia_East
0.03606933 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.03698073 French_Provence
0.03733676 Moldovan
0.03769978 Italian_Piedmont
0.03871207 Italian_Bergamo
0.03895490 Greek_Macedonia
0.03953658 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03955082 Italian_Emilia
0.04117168 Greek_Thessaly
0.04168415 Swiss_French
0.04338699 Bosnian

Distance to: Hungary_Transtisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181025
0.02712778 Montenegrin
0.02740995 Swiss_German
0.02757540 French_Alsace
0.02842366 Romanian
0.02884033 Italian_Northeast
0.03009087 Swiss_French
0.03023697 French_Nord
0.03044571 Serbian
0.03059705 Austrian
0.03224122 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03258510 BelgianB
0.03282578 French_Provence
0.03299746 Moldovan
0.03306789 BelgianC
0.03360057 Bosnian
0.03368371 French_Auvergne
0.03454820 German_Erlangen
0.03486079 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03488279 Croatian
0.03610003 Bulgarian
0.03612041 French_Occitanie
0.03634740 French_Paris
0.03672555 Hungarian
0.03692942 Macedonian
0.03702412 BelgianA

Distance to: Hungary_Transtisza_LSarmation_EHun:A181026
0.03315635 Serbian
0.03417453 Austrian
0.03433699 French_Alsace
0.03485602 Montenegrin
0.03498236 Romanian
0.03529270 Croatian
0.03573617 Slovenian
0.03616466 Moldovan
0.03624815 Bosnian
0.03658148 Swiss_German
0.03699499 German_Erlangen
0.03702162 Hungarian
0.03783699 French_Nord
0.03884153 French_Seine-Maritime
0.03896993 Italian_Northeast
0.03925478 BelgianA
0.04065916 BelgianC
0.04140416 German
0.04208666 Macedonian
0.04268162 BelgianB
0.04427591 French_Auvergne
0.04462609 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.04486180 Bulgarian
0.04534946 French_Paris
0.04549263 French_Occitanie

Distance to: Hungary_Transtisza_Roman_Sarmation:I20802
0.02811895 Romanian
0.02927886 Bulgarian
0.03109728 Italian_Northeast
0.03413010 Serbian
0.03428292 Montenegrin
0.03463100 Macedonian
0.03541663 Gagauz
0.03574192 French_Provence
0.03701477 Italian_Friuli_Venezia_Giulia_Sappada
0.03711500 Moldovan
0.03796581 Italian_Veneto
0.03859615 Italian_Trentino_Alto_Adige
0.03940504 Swiss_German
0.03948594 French_Alsace
0.04065287 Greek_East_Macedonia_and_Thrace
0.04087097 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04172525 Italian_Piedmont
0.04180585 Swiss_French
0.04238742 French_Nord
0.04271829 Swiss_Italian
0.04311810 French_Auvergne
0.04350396 Italian_Liguria
0.04358254 Austrian
0.04402458 Bosnian
0.04432452 Italian_Emilia

Etc.

Y-DNA
RKO003 - I-Z63
RKO005 - G-Z31459
RKO016 - E-BY3880
RKO019 - J-PF5366
RKO021 - R-Y52
RKF247 - R-S7402
RKF253 - R-FGC32095
RKF262 - C-F15182
RKF268 - J-FT11871
RKF273 - J-FT11871
RKF280 - I-A8632

More here: https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/sa...ommunities

his Y-DNA R-Y52 is Indo-Iranian Scythian/Sarmatian (HungaryMiddleTisza_LSarHunP:RKO021) and the mtdna HV6 is of East Eurasian origin, however the individual's autosomal very local Balkan-Pannonian, like all other results, certainly some Sarmatians have merged into the local population, others were only culturally influenced!
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(04-22-2024, 01:37 PM)Radko Wrote: Gepid period sample?

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
0.02750730 Polish_Kashubian
0.02832653 Polish
0.02964810 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03018223 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03056880 Russian_Belgorod
0.03096117 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03147945 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03188873 Russian_Smolensk
0.03323647 Russian_Voronez
0.03343360 Lithuanian_VA
0.03354112 Lithuanian_PA
0.03431508 Russian_Kaluga
0.03456728 Belarusian
0.03503825 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03542262 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03545803 Russian_Kursk
0.03575475 Russian_Pskov
0.03578534 Polish_Silesian
0.03590041 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03618168 Russian_Orel
0.03660166 Slovakian
0.03789680 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03997974 Lithuanian_RA
0.04050021 Russian_Ryazan
0.04135516 Lithuanian_VZ

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.2580% / 0.02257982
56.6 Lithuanian_SZ
17.0 Polish_Kashubian
8.0 Lithuanian_VA
5.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
4.6 Abkhasian_Gudauta
4.6 Spanish_Soria
3.8 Sardinian

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.4485% / 0.02448547 | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.2 Lithuanian_VA
26.2 Polish_Kashubian
15.4 Polish_Silesian
12.6 Sorb_Niederlausitz
8.0 Slovakian
4.6 Russian_Belgorod

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.5251% / 0.02525055 | ADC: 1x RC
54.6 Polish_Kashubian
26.4 Russian_Belgorod
19.0 Lithuanian_VA

https://www.theytree.com/tree/I-Y2170
https://www.theytree.com/mttree/K1b2a1

[Image: Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-4.png]

[Image: Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-2.png]

HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007,0.142279,0.135065,0.075424,0.0646,0.042162,0.022869,0.015041,0.017307,-0.004909,-0.01713,-0.006171,-0.003147,0.009663,0.017616,-0.01045,0.001856,0.009909,-0.007855,-0.000377,0.015382,-0.00549,-0.003586,0.002958,-0.00976,0.006347

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New Global25 coordinates (Avar, Sarmatian, Gepid, etc. samples including labels from "Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities" study) based on the official genotype data - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xGPQI6c...sp=sharing
Genotype data - https://server.poseidon-adna.org/zip_fil...rPedigrees

The Middle Tisza region between the 4th and 9th centuries

The comprehensive analysis of the Tisza region is a key area for understanding the early Medieval history of the Carpathian Basin. This area was never part of the Roman Empire but served as a border and contact zone between the Empire and the ‘barbarians’ for centuries. The Tisza-region was a densely settled territory between the 4th and 9th centuries and as such it served as one of the core regions for the project to understand the transformation that took place outside of the borders of the Roman Empire. The core of the Middle Tisza region is Rákóczifalva, a complex location with cemeteries, solitary graves and settlement structures on one surface spanning from the the 3rd up to the 8th century. Most of the burials are dated to the Sarmatian and to the Avar period, so we complemented the sampling with sites dated to the 5th and 6th centuries. (Sampling between the 4th and 8th centuries with ca. 770 samples from 14 sites).

From ‘Sarmatian’ to ‘Gepid’ between the 4th and 6th centuries

The Tisza region is regarded as the core area of the 5th-century Hunnic Empire under Attila; however, in addition to new immigrants from the East, the survival of earlier Sarmatian population is presumable as well. After the fall of the Huns, in the second half of the 5th century, the area came under the sway of the Gepids. Nevertheless, the political shifts and the emergence of new people might only be the result of changing identities and not changing populations. In the archaeological data this particular period marks a remarkable shift between the long-inhabited villages of the Sarmatian period (4th century) which reflected a sedentary way of life, and the more mobile, smaller communities of the Hun period (5th century). Furthermore, recent archaeological analyses of burial practices, female dress accessories and artificial skull deformation proved that there was a continuous cultural transformation during the 5th century, not a radical change. (sites: Rákóczifalva, Pusztataskony, Tiszaug). This is also a region where high concentration of 6th-century communities is detectable, so social change between the 5th and the 6th centuries is well researched. The excavated sites show a change in funerary representation between the 5th and 6th centuries and the emergence (at least the emergence of archaeologically visible) hierarchized social structures with richly furnished male and female burials.

Avar period between the 7th and 9th centuries in the Tisza region

During the Avar period a series of newly founded cemeteries appeared: first small burial groups, then, from the middle of the 7th century, large cemeteries as well. At the same time, the continuous use of 6th century sites is also observable suggesting the wide scale (?) survival of Gepid-period population groups. Cultural differences can be detected even in smaller geographical regions: Western influences, as well as Eastern European and East Central Asian materials and burial practices are present next to one another. (sites: Tiszagyenda, Rákóczifalva, Tiszabura). The abundance of contemporaneous Avar period sites with different archaeological character and diverse anthropological characteristic provides an ample opportunity in this region to study how these detectable differences developed, what is the relationship between the sites and whether this heterogeneity is also detectable in the genomic data. Even in the 8th century – which is considered a rather homogeneous time period from a cultural point of view – communities along the Tisza river are remarkably diverse. The Rákóczifalva sites show typical “Transtisza” characteristics (e.g. animal sacrifices), Tiszabura's cemetery is shows similarities to Tiszafüred and also displays Transdanubian Meroving influences, and in Tiszagyenda there is an early Avar, perhaps surviving 6th-century population. (sites: Tiszagyenda, Rákóczifalva, Tiszabura). The Rákóczifalva sites (site 8 and 8A) provide an opportunity to compare the communities of two cemeteries established close to each other (one larger, used for a long time and one smaller).

https://www.histogenes.org/budapest-mannheim-team-elte

No real surprise to find "Gepidic" descendants in this region in the 7th century even after their defeat in 567 AD, the surprise might be rather that some still show a very Wielbark-like autosomal profile. It was clear from historical sources that only a part of the Gepids joined their former enemies, the Langobards to Italy.
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(04-23-2024, 01:11 PM)Orentil Wrote:
(04-22-2024, 01:37 PM)Radko Wrote: Gepid period sample?

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
0.02750730 Polish_Kashubian
0.02832653 Polish
0.02964810 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.03018223 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03056880 Russian_Belgorod
0.03096117 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.03147945 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.03188873 Russian_Smolensk
0.03323647 Russian_Voronez
0.03343360 Lithuanian_VA
0.03354112 Lithuanian_PA
0.03431508 Russian_Kaluga
0.03456728 Belarusian
0.03503825 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.03542262 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.03545803 Russian_Kursk
0.03575475 Russian_Pskov
0.03578534 Polish_Silesian
0.03590041 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.03618168 Russian_Orel
0.03660166 Slovakian
0.03789680 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03997974 Lithuanian_RA
0.04050021 Russian_Ryazan
0.04135516 Lithuanian_VZ

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.2580% / 0.02257982
56.6 Lithuanian_SZ
17.0 Polish_Kashubian
8.0 Lithuanian_VA
5.4 Basque_Gipuzkoa_Southwest
4.6 Abkhasian_Gudauta
4.6 Spanish_Soria
3.8 Sardinian

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.4485% / 0.02448547 | ADC: 0.5x RC
33.2 Lithuanian_VA
26.2 Polish_Kashubian
15.4 Polish_Silesian
12.6 Sorb_Niederlausitz
8.0 Slovakian
4.6 Russian_Belgorod

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007
Distance: 2.5251% / 0.02525055 | ADC: 1x RC
54.6 Polish_Kashubian
26.4 Russian_Belgorod
19.0 Lithuanian_VA

https://www.theytree.com/tree/I-Y2170
https://www.theytree.com/mttree/K1b2a1

[Image: Vahaduo-Global-25-North-Europe-PCA-4.png]

[Image: Vahaduo-Global-25-Europe-1-PCA-2.png]

HungaryMiddleTisza_GepidPeriod:RKO007,0.142279,0.135065,0.075424,0.0646,0.042162,0.022869,0.015041,0.017307,-0.004909,-0.01713,-0.006171,-0.003147,0.009663,0.017616,-0.01045,0.001856,0.009909,-0.007855,-0.000377,0.015382,-0.00549,-0.003586,0.002958,-0.00976,0.006347

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New Global25 coordinates (Avar, Sarmatian, Gepid, etc. samples including labels from "Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities" study) based on the official genotype data - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xGPQI6c...sp=sharing
Genotype data - https://server.poseidon-adna.org/zip_fil...rPedigrees

The Middle Tisza region between the 4th and 9th centuries

The comprehensive analysis of the Tisza region is a key area for understanding the early Medieval history of the Carpathian Basin. This area was never part of the Roman Empire but served as a border and contact zone between the Empire and the ‘barbarians’ for centuries. The Tisza-region was a densely settled territory between the 4th and 9th centuries and as such it served as one of the core regions for the project to understand the transformation that took place outside of the borders of the Roman Empire. The core of the Middle Tisza region is Rákóczifalva, a complex location with cemeteries, solitary graves and settlement structures on one surface spanning from the the 3rd up to the 8th century. Most of the burials are dated to the Sarmatian and to the Avar period, so we complemented the sampling with sites dated to the 5th and 6th centuries. (Sampling between the 4th and 8th centuries with ca. 770 samples from 14 sites).

From ‘Sarmatian’ to ‘Gepid’ between the 4th and 6th centuries

The Tisza region is regarded as the core area of the 5th-century Hunnic Empire under Attila; however, in addition to new immigrants from the East, the survival of earlier Sarmatian population is presumable as well. After the fall of the Huns, in the second half of the 5th century, the area came under the sway of the Gepids. Nevertheless, the political shifts and the emergence of new people might only be the result of changing identities and not changing populations. In the archaeological data this particular period marks a remarkable shift between the long-inhabited villages of the Sarmatian period (4th century) which reflected a sedentary way of life, and the more mobile, smaller communities of the Hun period (5th century). Furthermore, recent archaeological analyses of burial practices, female dress accessories and artificial skull deformation proved that there was a continuous cultural transformation during the 5th century, not a radical change. (sites: Rákóczifalva, Pusztataskony, Tiszaug). This is also a region where high concentration of 6th-century communities is detectable, so social change between the 5th and the 6th centuries is well researched. The excavated sites show a change in funerary representation between the 5th and 6th centuries and the emergence (at least the emergence of archaeologically visible) hierarchized social structures with richly furnished male and female burials.

Avar period between the 7th and 9th centuries in the Tisza region

During the Avar period a series of newly founded cemeteries appeared: first small burial groups, then, from the middle of the 7th century, large cemeteries as well. At the same time, the continuous use of 6th century sites is also observable suggesting the wide scale (?) survival of Gepid-period population groups. Cultural differences can be detected even in smaller geographical regions: Western influences, as well as Eastern European and East Central Asian materials and burial practices are present next to one another. (sites: Tiszagyenda, Rákóczifalva, Tiszabura). The abundance of contemporaneous Avar period sites with different archaeological character and diverse anthropological characteristic provides an ample opportunity in this region to study how these detectable differences developed, what is the relationship between the sites and whether this heterogeneity is also detectable in the genomic data. Even in the 8th century – which is considered a rather homogeneous time period from a cultural point of view – communities along the Tisza river are remarkably diverse. The Rákóczifalva sites show typical “Transtisza” characteristics (e.g. animal sacrifices), Tiszabura's cemetery is shows similarities to Tiszafüred and also displays Transdanubian Meroving influences, and in Tiszagyenda there is an early Avar, perhaps surviving 6th-century population. (sites: Tiszagyenda, Rákóczifalva, Tiszabura). The Rákóczifalva sites (site 8 and 8A) provide an opportunity to compare the communities of two cemeteries established close to each other (one larger, used for a long time and one smaller).

https://www.histogenes.org/budapest-mannheim-team-elte

No real surprise to find "Gepidic" descendants in this region in the 7th century even after their defeat in 567 AD, the surprise might be rather that some still show a very Wielbark-like autosomal profile. It was clear from historical sources that only a part of the Gepids joined their former enemies, the Langobards to Italy.

all the more surprising however since the McColl paper claimed that the Wielbarks profile difused once the Goths reached the Blacksea at hand of the Crimean samples; then again the paper has a great miss by not incl the Viyas data from Pannonia, eg Balatonszemes and Hacs but also earlier Fonyod, for their analysis specifically for an e.Scand profile once prime in Wielbark

it is indeed most likely that only the queen Rosamund and the court at Sirmium "followed" the Longobards into Italy but it seems that the three sites mentioned on #627 actually date to the 5th-6th c. though with little to none absolute-dates, maybe the paper will change that; Pusztataskony is said to be the earliest and the other two sites Rákóczifalva and Tiszaug-Országúti fall mostly into the 6th c.; nonetheless Gepids indeed remained amongst the Avars in the Tisza area though much of their assemblage is now 'Merovingian' and could also reflect an exchange between Franks and Avars; though by the looks of it HistoGenes prob has the data on those sites aswell

one thing that bothered me was that one of the abstracts mentions an allaince with 'Attila  during the Hunnic empire' but infact the Greuthungi out of which both the Amal-Goths(Ostrogoths) and Gepids most prob derived from already had an "alliance" with Balamber eversince he overran Ermanaric's realm making the Greuthungi vassals of the Huns prob along with the Sciri (cf Odoaker); long before Attila
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Still trying to figure this guy out.  If he's really a DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112, typically a very NWEuro/North Sea Y-DNA, his ancestors were well integrated into the local genetic culture centuries before his burial, as there's barely a hint of anything more west using just IA samples:

Target: HungaryMiddleTisza_SarmatianPeriod:RKF263
Distance: 1.2372% / 0.01237173
21.2 Macedonia_IA
19.8 Hungary_IA_Syrmian_SremGroup
18.2 Hungary_IA_Prescythian.SG
15.4 Bulgaria_IA
8.0 Scotland_Skye_IA.SG
4.4 Bulgaria_LIA
4.2 Iran_HajjiFiruz_IA
3.4 Hungary_IA_Scythian
1.4 Lebanon_IA2.SG
1.4 Netherlands_LIA
1.2 ChannelIslands_LIA_LaTene
1.2 China_YR_LBIA
0.2 Ukraine_IA_WesternScythian_Cimmerians_o2.SG

Quote:The Middle Tisza region between the 4th and 9th centuries

The comprehensive analysis of the Tisza region is a key area for understanding the early Medieval history of the Carpathian Basin. This area was never part of the Roman Empire but served as a border and contact zone between the Empire and the ‘barbarians’ for centuries. The Tisza-region was a densely settled territory between the 4th and 9th centuries and as such it served as one of the core regions for the project to understand the transformation that took place outside of the borders of the Roman Empire. The core of the Middle Tisza region is Rákóczifalva, a complex location with cemeteries, solitary graves and settlement structures on one surface spanning from the the 3rd up to the 8th century. Most of the burials are dated to the Sarmatian and to the Avar period, so we complemented the sampling with sites dated to the 5th and 6th centuries. (Sampling between the 4th and 8th centuries with ca. 770 samples from 14 sites).
EDIT:  IA/local group Distances:
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R1b>M269>L23>L51>L11>P312>DF19>DF88>FGC11833 >S4281>S4268>Z17112>FT354149

Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583; John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593; John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635
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Are these completely new samples:
https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/sa...ommunities

They are from: https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB72021

By the way, there are 22 samples assigned to https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-BY78446/
If its correct, are they all from the same site or close to each other?
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The new Hungarian early Slavic samples placed on my Slavic centered IA PCA:

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My hopes for identifying an ancestral source for RFK263 got a little complicated Big Grin
In the supplements for the paper published today: "Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities"
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-024-07312-4#Abs1
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/...M1_ESM.pdf
RKF263 does not seem to be dated, but is assigned as "Sarmatian" - which seems to be his autosomal summary, despite his YDNA.

So what tribes are present in the pre-Avar period with the Sarmatians?  Probably the Quadi, but plenty of other candidates get mentioned just in the beginning paragraphs of the supplement (although Langobards might be too recent for him to melt into the autosomal background):
Quote:Population shifts in the eastern Carpathian Basin, c. 300-800 CE
The DTI and TT regions, east of the Danube, never were part of the Roman Empire, which had
conquered the western part of the Carpathian Basin west of the north-south tract of the Danube, around
the turn of the era, and established the province of Pannonia which remained under Roman control for
almost half a millennium. In the course of the 1st century CE, a large group of Sarmatians occupied the
eastern half of the Carpathian Basin. The Sarmatians, who spoke an Iranian language, had largely
replaced the Scythians in the steppes north of the Caucasus and the Black Sea in the 3rd/2nd centuries
BCE. In the Carpathian Basin, they remained a regional power, and often operated in close conjunction
with the Germanic Quadi who lived in what is now southern Slovakia. Roman observers noticed that
the two peoples had come to resemble each other to a considerable degree, although the archaeological
evidence only confirms this in the contact zone7–9
. In the course of the 4th century, the Sarmatians had
to face the threat from Goths and Gepids from the east and north-east, and from Vandals who expanded
south from their homelands north of the Carpathian Mountains.
The situation in the Carpathian Basin changed in the aftermath of the arrival of the Huns, who came
from somewhere in Central Asia to Europe in 375 CE. Goths, Alans and other groups moved west, and
some of them settled in the Carpathian Basin. In c. 400, the Huns occupied the Carpathian Basin10. Most
Vandals and Alans and some Gothic groups left and marched as far as Italy, Spain and North Africa.
Many Sarmatians stayed in the TT and also DTI regions, and Ostrogoths, Gepids and others also
remained under Hun rule. In the 430s, the short but dramatic story of the Hunnic Empire began, which
reached its apogee under their legendary king Attila, who first devastated large parts of the Roman
provinces in the Balkan Peninsula, and then organised two large military expeditions into Gaul (451)
and Italy (452), at the head of an army which included several, mostly Germanic-speaking peoples11.
We have a lively report from a Byzantine diplomat who visited Attila’s wooden palace somewhere
between Danube and Tisza, a rich and bustling cosmopolitan power centre.
Attila died in 453, and his empire collapsed in a series of conflicts between his sons and the subject
peoples. The Hun realm dissolved into a number of smaller kingdoms, of which the Gepid kingdom in
the TT region was the most durable12. The Goths dominated Pannonia until they left for a more
profitable future in the Roman Empire. In the southern DTI, a small kingdom of the Sarmatians
emerged, and further north, one of the Sciri; north of the Middle Danube, kingdoms of the Suebi and
the Heruls existed for a generation or two
. Other groups, often mixed between Huns and other groups,
joined Roman service in the Balkan provinces immediately after the fall of Attila’s kingdom. Some of
Attila’s sons with their following tried to carve out their own realms, but mostly retreated to the steppes
north of the Lower Danube and the Black Sea. In the 6th century, Longobards moved into Pannonia,
where they began to challenge the Gepids, their eastern neighbours. In 567, they destroyed the Gepid
kingdom. In the following year, they united a large following of many groups still living in the
Carpathian Basin (reputedly Gepids, Bulgars, Suebi, Sarmatians and Pannonian provincials) and
invaded Italy, where they founded their kingdom.
This is when the Avars came to the Carpathian Basin. They had arrived north of the Caucasus in 557,
and immediately sent an embassy to Constantinople to offer an alliance to the Byzantine emperor.
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Ancestors: Francis Cooke (M223/I2a2a) b1583; Hester Mahieu (Cooke) (J1c2 mtDNA) b.1584; Richard Warren (E-M35) b1578; Elizabeth Walker (Warren) (H1j mtDNA) b1583; John Mead (I2a1/P37.2) b1634; Rev. Joseph Hull (I1, L1301+ L1302-) b1595; Benjamin Harrington (M223/I2a2a-Y5729) b1618; Joshua Griffith (L21>DF13) b1593; John Wing (U106) b1584; Thomas Gunn (DF19) b1605; Hermann Wilhelm (DF19) b1635
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now that said paper is out in addendum to the Gepids
the paper did not yield any absolute-dates except for RKO001 who gets an 'Avar period (?)' date

nonetheless the paper reveals

...from RK Sarmatian period individuals that can be modeled as ~100%
Sarm_P_DTI_TT_4_5c and the RK Gepid period individuals that can be modeled as 100% Lon_P_6c
(Extended Data Fig. 8c). This 6th century profile seems to extend also in the Avar period, among the
individuals that don’t carry East Asian ancestry (Extended Data Fig. 8c) and some of them can be
modeled only with Lon_P_north_6c or Lon_P_south

the Longobards at it again (Szolad)
with a score of 100% could it also be that these are actually Longobards (ie s.Scand/Mecklenburg rather than e.Scand) if they indeed fall into the Avar period; stay-behinders or raid victims (cf Warnefrid story); i guess it needs a closer look at that 'Merovingian' assemblege (if its indeed Avar period)

of the Gepid Gep_P badge only RKO001, RKO002, RKF258 and RKF255 have a qpAdm test
the former two both Lon_P_north while the latter RKF255 gets Lon_P_south and RKF258 scores a Venosa_7c exclusive
RKO002 and RKF255 gets some (2.5% and 0.6%) east Asian cf the Gepid VIM_2 (ACD) from ~550 CE Serbia seems to have scored more east Asian in the Baiuvarii paper
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(04-24-2024, 11:50 AM)ph2ter Wrote: The new Hungarian early Slavic samples placed on my Slavic centered IA PCA:

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What can we say about the two IA La Tene Hun samples and the 3 from the Avar period. They seem to plot very close to each other.
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RKF106 (pure Slav?) and RKF183 (Slav mixed with local Pannonian population?) form a small pedigree.

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Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_AvarPeriod:RKF106
0.02922706 Lithuanian_VA
0.02992499 Lithuanian_RA
0.03105828 Lithuanian_PA
0.03355386 Lithuanian_SZ
0.03592017 Russian_Pskov
0.03621161 Latvian
0.03808722 Belarusian
0.03836069 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.03861658 Lithuanian_VZ
0.03910529 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.04041342 Russian_Smolensk
0.04087973 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.04140846 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04178742 Russian_Kursk
0.04186993 Lithuanian_PZ
0.04215356 Russian_Voronez
0.04263483 Russian_Belgorod
0.04301726 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.04356316 Estonian
0.04392931 Polish
0.04404640 Russian_Kaluga
0.04436511 Polish_Kashubian
0.04471491 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.04518638 Russian_Yaroslavl
0.04523123 Russian_Orel

RKF106 belongs to R-PF6155 (R-M458?) - https://www.theytree.com/tree/R-PF6155

[Image: Hungary-Middle-Tisza-Avar-Period-Slav-RKF106.png]

Distance to: HungaryMiddleTisza_AvarPeriod:RKF183
0.02039666 Hungarian
0.02100703 Croatian
0.02500316 Slovenian
0.02552174 Austrian
0.02842506 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02878348 Czech
0.02889017 German_Erlangen
0.02951119 Bosnian
0.03038727 German_East
0.03330135 Moldovan
0.03423608 Serbian
0.03432276 German
0.03473938 Slovakian
0.03487904 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.03568972 German_Hamburg
0.03755259 Montenegrin
0.03771749 Moldovan_o
0.03781927 Polish_Silesian
0.04140453 Polish
0.04142515 French_Alsace
0.04234225 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.04267194 French_Seine-Maritime
0.04295870 Romanian
0.04337243 Afrikaner
0.04347821 BelgianA

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In upcoming Vyazov et al. paper, we'll have a genetically very Balto-Slavic sample I35000/father (which belongs to a common Slavic Y-DNA) and his mixed with local female son (I34989) from the Early Avar period.

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Radko

Please note that R-PF6155 is a typical Polish paternal line.
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I've added one more family (AV1 and AV2) to Europe1 PCA.

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Quote:In upcoming Vyazov et al. paper, we'll have a genetically very Balto-Slavic sample I35000/father (which belongs to a common Slavic Y-DNA) and his mixed with local female son (I34989) from the Early Avar period.

(...)

Hopefully, these samples will be available soon. And I'm wondering how all these Balto-Slavic-like Imen'kovo culture samples really look like.

I33407 (1550yBP, ~400 calCE), 100% "Baltic"-like
I32653 (1525yBP, ~425 calCE), 100% "Baltic"-like
I33726 (1500yBP, ~450 calCE), 100% "Baltic"-like
I32378 (1425yBP, ~525 calCE), "Baltic"-like?

Early Avar Cik samples:
I35000 (483-603 calCE), 100% "Baltic"-like
I34989 (mixed son)

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