05-12-2024, 07:20 PM
(05-12-2024, 03:10 PM)pelop Wrote:(05-12-2024, 02:42 PM)okshtunas Wrote: So, M417 individuals obviously existed long before the TMRCA. It is only that, all surviving men under M417 belong to one founder, 5400ybp. All the other singletons died out. There is no knowing how prevalent or spread out they once were.
There's no need for these SNPs to have been prevalent or spread out, because founder effects don't require it. That's the whole point.
The point is, unless there was only one male member of the haplogroup per generation, there was more than one M417 alive at any given time from the emergence of the mutation to the MRCA. It is unknown what the majority language of these people were, but given that the haplogroup was spread by Indo-European migrations, it is more than likely that the MRCA spoke proto-Indo-European. He was also probably a member of the early Middle Dnieper culture, given the spread of Z93 (to the east, to Fatyanovo-Balanovo) and Z283 (to the west, to Central Corded Ware and the Baltic), just to the east of Cucuteni-Trypillia and Globular Amphora.