04-13-2024, 02:43 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-13-2024, 06:55 PM by Mitchell-Atkins.)
(04-13-2024, 07:45 AM)asquecco Wrote: Continuation of this old Anthrogenica thread:Here is a map of all known Z49>Z142 samples dated between 530 BC and ~180 AD.
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...atic-sea/1
In my optimistic intentions, this combined genetic and genealogical map (2024 V3) represents the S22778/S20782 distribution in the mid-1800s (and even a little earlier):
Here is the composition of the relevant S22778/S20782 data set:
![[Image: txvwjrf.png]](https://i.imgur.com/txvwjrf.png)
As you can see, the midpoint isn't too far from your Z49>S8183>S22778/S20782 midpoint.
I think we both remember from anthrogenica days (and per your map and piechart above) Z49>S8183 tends to be more German, while Z49>Z142 more French.
EDIT: Just looked at FTDNA discover and there are 114 French and 134 German Z49 samples
S8183 is 39 German, 10 French samples, so almost 4 to 1 ratio
Z142 is 76 French and 60 German samples.
Who knows? Early on, maybe the Rhine served as some kind of initial boundary between the S8183 and Z142 predominate clans.
U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150>FGC12381>FGC12378>FGC47869>FGC12401>FGC47875>FGC12384
50% English, 15% Welsh, 15% Scot/Ulster Scot, 5% Irish, 10% German, 2% Scandi, 2% French & Dutch), 1% India
Ancient ~40% Anglo-Saxon, ~40% Briton/Insular Celt, ~15% German, 4% Other Euro
600 AD: 55% Anglo-Saxon (CNE), 45% Pre-Anglo-Saxon Briton (WBI)
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50% English, 15% Welsh, 15% Scot/Ulster Scot, 5% Irish, 10% German, 2% Scandi, 2% French & Dutch), 1% India
Ancient ~40% Anglo-Saxon, ~40% Briton/Insular Celt, ~15% German, 4% Other Euro
600 AD: 55% Anglo-Saxon (CNE), 45% Pre-Anglo-Saxon Briton (WBI)
“Be more concerned with seeking the truth than winning an argument”