An attempt at deep West Eurasian phylogeny

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We will need to continue on this topic... I don't know why Kale abandoned it. I have some great news, but not ready to share ...  Still working on it, to make sure my calculations are correct.

Yeah, sorry my models left everyone speechless.

Some more, here's theytree's interpretation of the haplogroups from the Fournol cluster paper:
https://www.theytree.com/portal/index/sa...-gatherers

These are the mt-M samples, some very East Eurasian haplogroups, don't know how much they can be trusted.
https://www.theytree.com/sample/a5b2371a...b2142.html
https://www.theytree.com/sample/30ce3a62...e9477.html
https://www.theytree.com/sample/2ec79c5b...beeea.html

And remember Kostenki's Oceanian related C? Apparently it's shared with one of the Bacho Kiro guys. Surely that's as good evidence as you can get that "West Eurasians" are actually a mix of the earlier Europeans and some kind of Caucasus/Middle East population.
https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna...9300/story

The IUP bacho kiro F clade is also found in a hoabinhian. I'm perplexed as why the IUP C1b and F only appear in hoabinhians though, and do not appear in northeast asians or australasians/papuans. It seems to me like AASI and hoabinhian retain some very old stuff that is absent among the australasians, who are likely a different wave, they have C1bs on a different branch and then various K2bs (M, S, P1, P2 etc)

One factor might be level of bottlenecking. Hoabinhians, Onge, AASI, etc. are not a monolithic population. Even the Laotian and Malaysian Hoabinhian barely share any drift with each other. Australasians and Northeast Asians on the other hand are significantly bottlenecked, and probably lost much uniparental diversity as such.

I agree on the northeast asian part, but aborigines have very high Y dna diversity with many deep clades going back to the peopling of the region, more than what we have found among hoabinhian so far. Papuans too have M and S both splitting from each other 42,000 years ago and still among the same population.