R-U152>L2>Z49>S8183>S22778/S20782

[asquecco]

Continuation of this old Anthrogenica thread:
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...atic-sea/1

In my optimistic intentions, this combined genetic and genealogical map (2024 V3) represents the S22778/S20782 distribution in the mid-1800s (and even a little earlier):

   

Here is the composition of the relevant S22778/S20782 data set:

   

[brunolord15]

Where do you think R-S8183 probably born?

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Continuation of this old Anthrogenica thread:
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...atic-sea/1

In my optimistic intentions, this combined genetic and genealogical map (2024 V3) represents the S22778/S20782 distribution in the mid-1800s (and even a little earlier):



Here is the composition of the relevant S22778/S20782 data set:

Here is a map of all known Z49>Z142 samples dated between 530 BC and ~180 AD.  


As you can see, the midpoint isn't too far from your Z49>S8183>S22778/S20782 midpoint.

I think we both remember from anthrogenica days (and per your map and piechart above) Z49>S8183 tends to be more German, while Z49>Z142 more French.

EDIT: Just looked at FTDNA discover and there are 114 French and 134 German Z49 samples
S8183 is 39 German, 10 French samples, so almost 4 to 1 ratio
Z142 is 76 French and 60 German samples.

Who knows? Early on, maybe the Rhine served as some kind of initial boundary between the S8183 and Z142 predominate clans.

[asquecco]

Continuation of this old Anthrogenica thread:
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...atic-sea/1

In my optimistic intentions, this combined genetic and genealogical map (2024 V3) represents the S22778/S20782 distribution in the mid-1800s (and even a little earlier):



Here is the composition of the relevant S22778/S20782 data set:

Here is a map of all known Z49>Z142 samples dated between 530 BC and ~180 AD.  


As you can see, the midpoint isn't too far from your Z49>S8183>S22778/S20782 midpoint. 

I think we both remember from anthrogenica days (and per your map and piechart above) Z49>S8183 tends to be more German, while Z49>Z142 more French.

EDIT:  Just looked at FTDNA discover and there are 114 French and 134 German Z49 samples
S8183 is 39 German, 10 French samples, so almost 4 to 1 ratio
Z142 is  76 French and 60 German samples.

Who knows?  Early on, maybe the Rhine served as some kind of initial boundary between the S8183 and Z142 predominate clans.

I think that what these maps are showing is mainly the result of the recent migrations to the Americas.
There many bias in these maps to consider, but certainly there is a core of 'real' meaning in them, perhaps linked to some 'treasure' of the past (salt, copper etc)

   

By the way, I would love S20782's origin near the Z142+ midpoint, because it's close to the 'Lacus Venetus' (Lake Constance).

[asquecco]

Where do you think R-S8183 probably born?

At the moment I have no clues about S8183's origin.

[Manofthehour]

Continuation of this old Anthrogenica thread:
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...atic-sea/1

In my optimistic intentions, this combined genetic and genealogical map (2024 V3) represents the S22778/S20782 distribution in the mid-1800s (and even a little earlier):



Here is the composition of the relevant S22778/S20782 data set:

Here is a map of all known Z49>Z142 samples dated between 530 BC and ~180 AD.  


As you can see, the midpoint isn't too far from your Z49>S8183>S22778/S20782 midpoint. 

I think we both remember from anthrogenica days (and per your map and piechart above) Z49>S8183 tends to be more German, while Z49>Z142 more French.

EDIT:  Just looked at FTDNA discover and there are 114 French and 134 German Z49 samples
S8183 is 39 German, 10 French samples, so almost 4 to 1 ratio
Z142 is  76 French and 60 German samples.

Who knows?  Early on, maybe the Rhine served as some kind of initial boundary between the S8183 and Z142 predominate clans.

I think that what these maps are showing is mainly the result of the recent migrations to the Americas.
There many bias in these maps to consider, but certainly there is a core of 'real' meaning in them, perhaps linked to some 'treasure' of the past (salt, copper etc)



By the way, I would love S20782's origin near the Z142+ midpoint, because it's close to the 'Lacus Venetus' (Lake Constance).

I've wondered about this potential "Lacus Venetus" connection too. The area plausibly seemed to be a hub of Bronze Age Italo-Celtic activity and dynamics (As well as Rhaetic peoples, and perhaps Proto-Tyrhennians earlier on, etc...)

[asquecco]

Possible S20782/S22778 dispersal paths around NE Italy.

   

[asquecco]

A few interesting place names around S20782/S22778 results from NE Italy.