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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-26-2023, 10:57 PM)
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RSFO has an intesting dustrubtion, occupying the centre of France and therefore the uppper reaches of most French rivers but at the same time never displac... |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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Manofthehour Wrote: (10-28-2023, 04:47 PM)
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Some Iberian and potentially Belgic connections show up as well with the Suessetani tribe. Notice similar if not identical words show up in the lists abo... |
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10-29-2023, 10:43 PM |
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Thread: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
Post: RE: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-29-2023, 10:48 AM)
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then proceeded along the The Austria/Germany border following the Inn and over the Alpine passes i’ve already described as likely route for the Veneti to i... |
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10-29-2023, 10:29 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-26-2023, 11:35 AM)
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I think dialect shift (as opposed to complete change in language family) can happen very easily with almost no genetic trace. I’ll give you a few examples ... |
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10-26-2023, 10:04 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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PopGenist82 Wrote: (10-25-2023, 09:00 PM)
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Strabo Wrote: (10-25-2023, 08:03 PM)
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Those more knowledgeable than us about germanic on the proto germanic thread have offered enough evidence and opi... |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
| I am thinking of a more restricted area for proto celtic, maybe lasting until the end of MBA/Bronze Recent in a smallish area of east france/west germany along the rhine. Im not sure it expanded befor... |
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10-25-2023, 11:24 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-25-2023, 08:53 PM)
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I don’t agree with a lot of the angles ;0) pushed on the proto Germanic thread. There is a linguistic consensus that at a v early phase when both languages... |
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10-25-2023, 10:10 PM |
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Thread: Iberian Discussion Thread and News
Post: RE: Iberian Discussion Thread and News
| Why are the La Hoya samples (and other like El Sotillo) considered as possibly celtiberian if the site is outside of the core celtiberian zone, supposedly in the Berones area. Would be kinda like "gre... |
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10-25-2023, 09:51 PM |
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Thread: Iberian Discussion Thread and News
Post: RE: Iberian Discussion Thread and News
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Sailcius Wrote: (10-17-2023, 03:29 PM)
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The map I linked clearly shows toponymic suffixes that are specific to the Franco-Cantabrian area where Basque is present today, despite these bei... |
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10-25-2023, 09:28 PM |
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Thread: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
Post: RE: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-23-2023, 03:54 PM)
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this is a useful critique (not the only one) of the theory of a common undifferentiated ‘old European’ strata. Basically the devil is in the detail of eve... |
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10-25-2023, 08:52 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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Manofthehour Wrote: (10-24-2023, 07:57 PM)
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I'm thinking Proto-Italic existed in the Beaker period and could have been spoken by (at least some) Bell Beaker peoples in Iberia. Well... m... |
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10-25-2023, 08:03 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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alexfritz Wrote: (10-25-2023, 12:05 AM)
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when it comes to italic/celtic it has to be noted that it is not a given or even a strong concept (cf p.189 (https://books.google.de/books?id=5iP7F7isnA8C&p... |
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10-25-2023, 07:38 PM |
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Thread: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
Post: RE: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
| Let’s review data on Italy:
Maybe its complete crap, but FWIW...
From the book: https://www.casadellibro.com/ebook-lenguas-genes-y-culturas-en-la-prehistoria-de-europa-y-asia-suroccidental-ebook/9... |
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10-21-2023, 08:44 PM |
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Thread: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
Post: RE: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
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alanarchae Wrote: (10-21-2023, 09:48 AM)
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I personally (but with low levels of confidence!) suspect Etruscan was an elite overlay on an older Italic population that took place around 950BC at the e... |
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10-21-2023, 08:12 PM |
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Thread: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
Post: RE: Para-"Ligurian" Phenomenon
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Pylsteen Wrote: (10-20-2023, 07:39 PM)
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These different outcomes suggest some distance or lack of contact between the branches to me for some time. During the first millennium BC contact was intens... |
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10-20-2023, 09:58 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
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Sailcius Wrote: (10-20-2023, 02:03 PM)
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because people in the specific area didn't speak IE languages
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How do you know that? I thought north central spain and aquitain had a lot of IE toponym... |
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10-20-2023, 09:34 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
| Continuing on from my earlier post about north France/Belgium in the EIA, I share another article from the same author (Alain Henton), but this time about the same area in the Urnfield era, or LBA.
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
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Radko Wrote: (10-17-2023, 08:19 AM)
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In addition, the analysis included skeletons representing populations inhabiting the territory of modern Poland in earlier archaeological periods: representativ... |
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Ancient (aDNA)
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10-20-2023, 07:06 PM |
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Thread: P312 subclade growth graphs
Post: RE: P312 subclade growth graphs
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Dewsloth Wrote: (10-14-2023, 09:43 PM)
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I just mean core for DF19 subclade distribution: There's no evidence I've seen that DF19 was a majority anywhere. But in some places it is a higher percent... |
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10-14-2023, 10:28 PM |
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Thread: Celts
Post: RE: Celts
| Interesting paper. May have something to do with the origin or evolution of the Belgae
I translated some bits.
https://www.academia.edu/104395820/De_la_vall%C3%A9e_de_la_Meuse_aux_rives_de_lEsc... |
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