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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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alanarchae Wrote: (Today, 01:24 PM)
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The information on the Repin culture in English seem extremely limited given that many see at as the origin of/an early stage of the Yamnaya culture. I can’t e... |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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R.Rocca Wrote: (Yesterday, 02:01 PM)
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According to the paper, only the "Core Yamnaya" genetic group expanded as opposed to the "Don Yamnaya" which largely stayed behind. The closest plotting Sredny... |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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alanarchae Wrote: (Yesterday, 11:56 AM)
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or to put it simply - L23 was barely branching between 4300 and 3650BC (just that branching into Z2203 and L51 c.4000 then tumbleweed to 3650BC). It was so ... |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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ArmandoR1b Wrote: (05-15-2024, 12:05 AM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-14-2024, 09:05 PM)
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This nonsense in particular that has been debunked by Reich, Anthony and Lazaridis. All three have strongly com... |
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05-16-2024, 12:42 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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targaryen Wrote: (05-14-2024, 01:43 PM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (05-14-2024, 11:56 AM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 09:15 PM)
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Papac paper was just a case of poor analysis. Y-DNA is important but w... |
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R.Rocca |
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05-14-2024, 08:35 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 09:15 PM)
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-13-2024, 09:04 PM)
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It's frustrating how the ancient DNA research has gone. In some ways, it has been good. In 2017, the Olalde et ... |
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05-14-2024, 11:56 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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ArmandoR1b Wrote: (05-09-2024, 06:15 AM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (05-09-2024, 02:46 AM)
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Remontnoye CLV people made up 4/5 of the genetic component that would become Serednii Stih, which later gave rise... |
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05-09-2024, 07:02 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| Remontnoye CLV people made up 4/5 of the genetic component that would become Serednii Stih, which later gave rise to Yamnaya. Interestingly, the Remontnoye made seasonal camps on the Don, an area that... |
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R.Rocca |
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05-09-2024, 02:46 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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billh Wrote: (05-05-2024, 04:05 AM)
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Apparently people in this thread have already been expressing skepticism about the R1b-L51 Yamnaya call, but I heard elsewhere there was an R1a Yamnaya. Is this... |
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05-08-2024, 05:41 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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RCO Wrote: (05-07-2024, 11:40 AM)
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We are here debating about the origins of Yamnaya and Yamanya steppe's formation where CHG-IRAN and J1 were present and in my position J haplogroup was extremely ... |
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05-07-2024, 07:06 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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RCO Wrote: (05-06-2024, 08:54 PM)
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Corded Ware and Bell Beaker were Indo-Europeanized local populations I think we mainly find J branches where they were born and are local in the Caucasus, Armenia... |
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05-07-2024, 03:03 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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Sephesakueu Wrote: (05-06-2024, 03:25 PM)
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-05-2024, 06:54 PM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-04-2024, 10:22 PM)
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What do you think of the R-Z2118 found in the Cetina Culture? It'... |
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05-06-2024, 06:29 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-05-2024, 09:08 PM)
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Here is something interesting from p. 182 of the Supplementary Material of the 2024 Lazaridis et al preprint, “The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans”:
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R.Rocca |
R1b-L51
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05-06-2024, 12:16 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-04-2024, 08:25 PM)
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alanarchae Wrote: (05-04-2024, 06:11 PM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (05-04-2024, 03:35 PM)
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The question of whether R-L51 took the northern or Ukraine -> SE Pol... |
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05-05-2024, 02:27 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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ArmandoR1b Wrote: (05-04-2024, 07:28 PM)
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parasar Wrote: (05-04-2024, 06:45 PM)
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alanarchae Wrote: (05-04-2024, 06:16 PM)
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does anyone else suspect there was some kind of devastating plague i... |
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05-04-2024, 08:45 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| The question of whether R-L51 took the northern or Ukraine -> SE Poland route was likely already answered at the end of last year by Ringbauer and then reinforced in these recent April papers. The IBD... |
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05-04-2024, 03:35 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| It’s funny that “J1 = Original PIE” is still being pitched as a real option. The Lazaridis paper clearly calls out Indo-Anatolian and Indo-European cultural units and associated Y-haplogroups and not ... |
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05-02-2024, 07:50 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-28-2024, 04:33 PM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (04-28-2024, 04:21 PM)
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-26-2024, 07:57 PM)
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I think we know where at least some members of that group can be fou... |
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R.Rocca |
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04-29-2024, 12:08 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-26-2024, 07:57 PM)
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Riverman Wrote: (04-26-2024, 07:37 PM)
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The issue with post-3000 BC samples from either side is also that there could have been not just earlier, but al... |
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04-28-2024, 04:21 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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ArmandoR1b Wrote: (04-28-2024, 03:17 PM)
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Konieczny Wrote: (04-28-2024, 02:18 PM)
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Yamnaya I0443 is L23(Z2105, L51)=Repin. Afanasievo,Mykhailivka, Deriivka are all Repin.
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It has a no-call f... |
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