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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| Colin Renfrew conceding Marija Gimbutas was right : ) (https://youtu.be/pmv3J55bdZc?t=664) |
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Yesterday, 06:46 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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alanarchae Wrote: (Yesterday, 01:08 PM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (05-18-2024, 07:38 PM)
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R.Rocca Wrote: (05-18-2024, 02:01 PM)
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According to the paper, only the "Core Yamnaya" genetic group expanded a... |
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jdean |
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Yesterday, 01:36 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 08:17 PM)
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Kale Wrote: (05-13-2024, 07:27 PM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-13-2024, 07:03 PM)
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Mate, like was mentioned before, we have IBD sharing between CLVs and Mes... |
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jdean |
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05-13-2024, 10:04 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| A poster on Eurogenes mentioned a caravan route in Anatolia and thought it pertinent in the Anatolian debate, I'd love to be able to give due credit but it was a while back and my memory has failed me... |
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jdean |
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05-13-2024, 06:13 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Kale Wrote: (05-13-2024, 02:11 PM)
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Vinitharya Wrote: (05-13-2024, 12:30 PM)
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Anatolian from the east makes zero sense. First of all, there are zero proven migrations of Indo-European people th... |
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jdean |
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05-13-2024, 03:00 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Jaska Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:05 AM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM)
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We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. That seals the deal. Proto-Anatolians we... |
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jdean |
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05-12-2024, 11:42 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-11-2024, 11:00 PM)
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As I recall Lazaridis et al argue that Proto-Anatolian moved from the steppe over the Caucasus and then into Anatolia from the east, but then the Anatolian... |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-11-2024, 10:10 PM)
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jdean Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:00 PM)
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Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypu... |
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05-11-2024, 10:37 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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old europe Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:33 PM)
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That is a very good news indeed. I can’t wait for Eurogenes to weigh in on the recent harward paper. When this will happen Lazaridis and Reich flee or take... |
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05-11-2024, 10:04 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| I think this (https://www-yuksekovahaber-com-tr.translate.goog/haber/prof-dr-sevket-donmez-3-bin-yil-once-turk-adi-bile-yoktu-204623.htm?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en-US&_x_tr_pto=wapp) also v... |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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old europe Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:04 PM)
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jdean Wrote: (05-11-2024, 08:00 PM)
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Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypu... |
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05-11-2024, 08:20 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| Great, Alwin Kloekhorst's Proto-Indo-Anatolian, the “Anatolian split” and the “Anatolian trek” (https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A3714602/view) is now available online ... |
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05-11-2024, 08:00 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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Anglesqueville Wrote: (05-07-2024, 06:24 AM)
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Sephesakueu Wrote: (05-06-2024, 11:06 PM)
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-06-2024, 07:58 PM)
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Here's how: I don't usually read the J subforum stuff. I bar... |
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05-07-2024, 04:03 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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RCO Wrote: (05-06-2024, 08:54 PM)
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Corded Ware and Bell Beaker were Indo-Europeanized local populations
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| Think it might be an idea to stop bringing up posters haplogroups as if it makes some sort of difference. |
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jdean |
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05-06-2024, 04:31 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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Kaltmeister Wrote: (05-03-2024, 09:18 PM)
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But this pattern appears to be typical for Indoeuropean societies.
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Be a tad surprised if this was only typical to IE, it sounds very human to me. |
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05-03-2024, 09:52 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| J2a could have been involved in the formation of PIE, as could lots of other haplogroups, clearly L51 and R1a weren't big players but nevertheless they were the groups that ended up spreading Late PIE... |
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05-03-2024, 02:46 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (05-01-2024, 11:00 PM)
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Thanks for checking the dating. Honestly, it wasn't something I cared enough to check on, because I already think CW was derived from Yamnaya, so I don't n... |
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jdean |
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05-01-2024, 11:14 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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targaryen Wrote: (05-01-2024, 07:05 PM)
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I like Ringe's original model in 2002. This feels like a cheap Hollywood sequel. Tocharian is Tocharian. It makes no sense to place with Italo-Celtic. Also,... |
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05-01-2024, 10:02 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| Intresting new paper by Ringe and friends where they propose a slightly different IE tree than the one we are used to.
Addressing Polymorphism in Linguistic Phylogenetics (https://onlinelibrary.wil... |
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