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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
Pronk-Tiethoff (glaza - amber):
“The semantic connection between the Germanic and Slavic forms is not straightforward. The reflexes of the word in Slavic vary greatly in meaning and give ... |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| FR9CZ6
Śmietanowska reconstructs the Proto-Slavic *jǫtar as the starting point for Baltic and Uralic forms - gintaras, gentars, gyanta, jamdar.
I just don't know if the author has already publis... |
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05-18-2024, 06:23 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
Kortlandt, Pronk and Pronk-Tiethoff refer to Udolph because their results of examining the Temematic and Neolithic substrate give similar indications regarding the location of the Slavic hom... |
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05-18-2024, 03:54 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Bukva
In modern linguistics, floristic arguments have no significance. Today we know that 3,000 years ago, the vegetation of Europe created a different landscape than today.
Amber does not belon... |
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05-18-2024, 03:41 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
Kortlandt:
"Saskia Pronk-Tiethoff has made clear that there are no Proto-Germanic loanwords in Proto-Slavic because “the two homelands were at best about 900 kilometres removed from each ... |
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05-18-2024, 09:48 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
Yes! I was writing quickly and got the last name wrong. However, this does not change the fact that Markov is a sociologist, not a linguist.
It doesn't matter whether I agree with Markov'... |
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05-18-2024, 07:13 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
To be clear - Makarov is not a linguist, but a sociologist. |
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05-17-2024, 03:29 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| ph2ter
Udolph:
"Geographical names are extremely helpful in giving evidence of early settlements and their inhabitants due to their solid anchorage in the landscape, even in the case of populati... |
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05-17-2024, 02:59 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Radko
Moszyński, Bernstein and Filin it is old story, but even they located the Slavic homeland in the upper Vistula basin, where it is currently located by mainstream academic linguists - Udolph, ... |
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05-17-2024, 09:46 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Galadhorn
But it was earlier that just linguists had already ruled out the Kiev culture as the Slavic homeland. |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| It's simple...
If there had been a mass migration westward from the Kiev culture area in the early Middle Ages, Poland would have been dominated by paternal lines whose last common ancestors lived ... |
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05-17-2024, 07:36 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| okshtunas
My comment was more general. |
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05-17-2024, 07:15 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| okshtunas
I think there is no point in forcefully defending the concept of medieval Kiev migration, because historical and archaeological data do not confirm it, while linguistic and genetic data c... |
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05-16-2024, 07:08 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Orentil
Yes! These dates fit linguistic facts that would take too long to discuss here. These dates also match genetic data showing the intensive development of Slavic paternal lines. |
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05-16-2024, 06:58 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| In practice, it looked like this: firstly the Slavs migrated from their homeland, covering roughly the area of historical Galicia, to the west and east, and then flowed into the Balkans from the east ... |
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05-15-2024, 04:30 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Vinitharia
These Slav-like guys, rounded up by the Avars somewhere far to the east, were indeed anomalous, as seen by their "exotic" haplotypes such as PRX15. |
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05-15-2024, 03:43 PM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Radko
Yes! VK160 is a good example. VK160 shares IBD segments with Poles (Margaryan). Its paternal line BY152492 comes from the Polish lineage L1029 and is currently found only in Russia. So the Sl... |
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05-15-2024, 10:35 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Radko
In fact, we already have quite a few samples of early-Slavic individuals from west-central Russia. One looks genetically as Polish, and most look like a mix of Poles and the local Iron Age po... |
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05-15-2024, 08:44 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| Radko
As seen in the PCA, there are no geneticaly early-Slavic/Baltic samples from Ukraine in the Estonian study. |
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05-14-2024, 08:51 AM |
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Thread: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Central Europe...
Post: RE: Stolarek et al: Genetic history of East-Centra...
| We have one individual from the Chernyakhov culture, who looks like a Slavic-Scandinavian hybrid with a Hun admixture:
Target: UKR_Chernyakhiv_Legedzine:MJ19
Distance: 2.3159% / 0.02315851 | R3P
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