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Thread: Notes on PF7589
Post: RE: Notes on PF7589
| Since April 16th, under BY38968: there has been a total 18 new kits of unknown origin, one English, one Brazilian, and one Italian kit. The number of PV remains constant at 18, and no new branches und... |
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Yesterday, 05:31 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| What was the population of the Steppe circa 4th millennia BCE? Has anyone ever tried to quantify it? |
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05-13-2024, 11:45 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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targaryen Wrote: (05-04-2024, 09:38 PM)
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I wouldn't rule out a Danube route for R1b-L51 yet, however unlikely. Look at how similar in autosomal DNA those Italic and Gallic samples in Central/Southe... |
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05-05-2024, 01:33 AM |
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Thread: Notes on PF7589
Post: RE: Notes on PF7589
| And an English kit got added today under BY38968. Still eight unknown origin kits. No new branches. This is two years worth of kits added in two weeks. |
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05-03-2024, 08:12 PM |
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Thread: Notes on PF7589
Post: RE: Notes on PF7589
| Another three kits were added to the BY38968 branch this week. FTDNA has not added any new branches below BY38968 yet. |
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RBHeadge |
R1b-L51
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05-02-2024, 03:05 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-30-2024, 12:31 AM)
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The five R1b-L51 Yamnayans (including one L52) in this new preprint aren't as early as Papac's R1b-L151 Bohemia_CW_Early guys, so certainly all of them are... |
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04-30-2024, 02:20 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| I'm still a couple days behind in watching the conference. I'll let you know if I find it. |
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04-29-2024, 06:05 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| At the risk of sounding like a total novice: is there any difference between WSH and what Lazaridis calls "genetically Yamnaya ancestors"? |
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04-26-2024, 08:40 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| I tried to make a series of maps triangulating ancient results with assumed migration rate of 1 km/yr. It didn't go well. There wasn't enough ancient samples with sufficient geographic diversity to pr... |
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04-26-2024, 04:23 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| Can someone please post the oldest known L151 samples with their location and date please. I'll need at least three, preferably with some diversity in geography. |
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04-25-2024, 03:18 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| I did a quick sanity check map using only the L51* samples. It certainly passes the sniff test for a crude demonstration map. This map does not include the roll ups from L151, PF7589, P310, which I ha... |
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04-25-2024, 03:05 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| I'll go ahead ahead and try the exercise of making an origin map using triangulation of ancient samples and clade creation dates. I'm pretty busy tomorrow so it'll probably happen on Friday. I'll star... |
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04-24-2024, 11:19 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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R.Rocca Wrote: (04-24-2024, 08:07 PM)
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RBHeadge Wrote: (04-24-2024, 05:37 PM)
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Is it out the question to try to speculate on the ECA location of L151, P310, and L51? We have some basal samples o... |
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04-24-2024, 09:32 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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R.Rocca Wrote: (04-24-2024, 02:58 PM)
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There are two gaps that are not typically discussed that make Yamnaya > Corded Ware more attractive than Serednii Stih > Corded Ware. The first is the couple ... |
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04-24-2024, 05:37 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-23-2024, 11:38 PM)
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Afanasievo is supposed to be the result of an eastward migration of Repin culture people prior to the development of Yamnaya, unless my memory is failing m... |
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04-24-2024, 01:35 AM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-23-2024, 07:35 PM)
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BTW, how was Tocharian a "Z2103 group"?
If one accepts the idea that Afanasievo represents Tocharian speakers, so far it has not been universally Z2103. T... |
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04-23-2024, 08:47 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
| If I take a step back and try to do a y-haplogroup census of the Steppe in the fourth millennia BCE I find:
I2a-L699 (Yamaya-Danube)
I2a-L1229 (?)
J2b-L283 (Yamnaya Horizon Danube/South)
Q1b (Ya... |
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04-23-2024, 05:58 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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parasar Wrote: (04-23-2024, 03:53 PM)
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Konieczny Wrote: (04-23-2024, 10:04 AM)
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-23-2024, 02:49 AM)
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Yikes! Too much work! That and the map would get kind of cluttered.
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04-23-2024, 04:53 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-23-2024, 03:16 AM)
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Why does it seem like almost none of the bigshots is all that interested in Y-DNA? They report on it (thank God!), but they don't seem to care that much. O... |
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04-23-2024, 04:39 PM |
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Thread: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
Post: RE: R1b-L51 in Yamnaya: Lazaridis 2024
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rmstevens2 Wrote: (04-20-2024, 06:57 PM)
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The big fights over "R1b" that began years ago, and that have persisted in some cobwebbed corners until just two days ago, are over.
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Sadly not. Those t... |
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