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some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 03-07-2024 Hello everyone , i created some G25_K12b according Theytree RKF223,0.092929,-0.015198,0.027594,-0.011767,-0.016736,-0.008879,-0.005763,-0.007650,-0.009688,-0.004478,-0.007254,-0.002292,0.004030,-0.002416,-0.002318,-0.000551,-0.001057,0.000330,0.001123,0.003028,0.000325,-0.000484,0.000419,0.000516,0.002231 RKF210,0.079295,-0.089108,0.056632,0.012737,-0.031821,-0.013003,-0.012336,-0.016072,-0.008076,-0.003422,-0.006487,-0.000344,0.000229,-0.004322,-0.005249,-0.004300,0.000453,0.001130,0.003822,0.004156,-0.000206,-0.003398,0.000099,0.001491,0.003792 RKF071,0.113131,0.162981,0.002954,-0.037635,0.033384,-0.019424,0.013047,0.015414,0.000113,0.025365,0.001786,0.006739,-0.011570,-0.001440,-0.001665,-0.005295,0.001684,-0.000300,-0.000007,0.003756,0.002145,0.002444,-0.003338,-0.000466,-0.000154 KUP021,0.104458,0.089132,0.029591,-0.010792,0.013860,-0.011639,0.000608,0.001653,0.006806,0.013542,0.000102,0.002494,-0.004365,-0.004446,0.000465,-0.000839,-0.001094,0.000548,0.001349,0.001879,0.001460,-0.000344,-0.001915,-0.000550,0.000932 RKF020,0.067474,-0.089852,0.031524,-0.013393,-0.032949,-0.022538,-0.011816,-0.013931,-0.000003,0.010057,-0.002210,0.002285,-0.003948,-0.007829,-0.003286,-0.002359,-0.000629,0.002237,0.005477,0.003756,0.001518,-0.004515,-0.001826,0.000791,0.004380 RKF038,0.086420,-0.039154,0.038218,-0.003221,-0.023629,-0.006264,-0.006231,-0.009699,-0.013769,-0.007431,-0.013201,-0.002333,0.003559,-0.002494,-0.002954,-0.001610,-0.000378,0.000220,0.001052,0.002331,-0.000142,-0.000962,0.001063,0.000465,0.002643 RKF041,0.100068,0.061729,0.020694,0.006492,-0.010164,-0.001485,-0.002443,-0.003835,-0.009077,-0.007758,0.001177,-0.001703,0.003246,-0.000458,-0.000892,0.000379,-0.001102,0.000141,0.000864,0.002022,-0.000509,0.000215,-0.000088,0.000240,0.000089 RKF106,0.127114,0.137808,0.082959,0.078875,0.040441,0.029664,0.001676,0.001666,-0.009208,-0.028513,-0.005614,-0.007803,0.012752,0.009563,-0.003313,-0.002780,0.000738,-0.003190,-0.005198,0.002031,-0.003515,0.006438,0.003815,0.001482,-0.002868 RKF052,0.081843,-0.048788,0.055648,0.015276,-0.012617,-0.005191,-0.008082,-0.010722,-0.006268,-0.001482,-0.008316,-0.000440,0.000067,-0.003494,-0.003522,-0.002841,0.000028,0.000761,0.002566,0.002470,0.000142,-0.001347,0.000173,0.000813,0.002998 KUP025,0.025936,-0.407899,0.103510,-0.007750,-0.084615,-0.048281,-0.039645,-0.043457,0.008664,0.009748,-0.016701,-0.002329,0.003768,-0.013651,-0.011921,-0.006456,-0.000876,0.004488,0.011132,0.010305,0.002672,-0.010352,-0.001005,0.004251,0.010997 RKF223,0.092929,-0.015198,0.027594,-0.011767,-0.016736,-0.008879,-0.005763,-0.007650,-0.009688,-0.004478,-0.007254,-0.002292,0.004030,-0.002416,-0.002318,-0.000551,-0.001057,0.000330,0.001123,0.003028,0.000325,-0.000484,0.000419,0.000516,0.002231 RKF210,0.079295,-0.089108,0.056632,0.012737,-0.031821,-0.013003,-0.012336,-0.016072,-0.008076,-0.003422,-0.006487,-0.000344,0.000229,-0.004322,-0.005249,-0.004300,0.000453,0.001130,0.003822,0.004156,-0.000206,-0.003398,0.000099,0.001491,0.003792 KFJ019,0.071502,-0.182061,0.090909,0.013613,-0.041108,-0.031485,-0.023365,-0.027661,-0.000554,-0.001632,0.003382,-0.000237,0.000790,-0.005823,-0.010057,-0.007938,0.001024,0.002348,0.007505,0.009355,0.000183,-0.006039,-0.000920,0.003840,0.005644 RKF263,0.110167,0.142099,0.022543,-0.004638,0.029729,0.001355,0.007499,0.009220,-0.002685,0.009932,-0.002385,0.002950,-0.005514,-0.002088,0.001860,-0.001316,-0.000173,-0.001009,-0.001780,-0.000397,0.000330,0.001233,-0.000422,-0.001411,-0.000170 RKO002,0.146686,0.132820,0.133247,0.153820,0.047993,0.060489,-0.004333,-0.007146,-0.025036,-0.083550,-0.008390,-0.024319,0.041837,0.026542,-0.010302,-0.002448,0.000978,-0.005920,-0.010015,0.006777,-0.007854,0.015050,0.009279,0.005562,-0.006714 RKF274,0.119646,0.151549,0.062585,0.035091,0.049972,0.011671,0.001514,0.006626,0.012033,0.005734,-0.002663,-0.002050,0.002918,0.000380,0.001404,0.001273,-0.002100,-0.000903,-0.001821,0.000360,0.000554,0.003955,-0.000261,-0.000443,-0.001297 RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 03-07-2024 Model ancient of Davidski Target: RKF274 Distance: 4.4443% / 0.04444278 44.0 TUR_Barcin_N 39.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 16.6 WHG 0.4 MAR_Taforalt Target: RKO002 Distance: 13.4165% / 0.13416485 74.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 25.8 WHG Target: RKF263 Distance: 2.5604% / 0.02560353 37.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 36.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 17.8 TUR_Barcin_N 6.6 WHG 0.8 Gambian 0.6 MAR_Taforalt Target: KFJ019 Distance: 3.9162% / 0.03916210 30.0 Nganassan 19.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 17.4 TUR_Barcin_N 16.4 Han 12.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 3.4 WHG 0.4 Yoruba Target: RKF210 Distance: 3.0299% / 0.03029872 30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 18.6 Nganassan 14.6 Han 13.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 10.8 TUR_Barcin_N 7.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 2.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 1.8 WHG 1.0 Yoruba Target: RKF223 Distance: 2.3242% / 0.02324201 29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 27.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 13.6 Han 10.2 Nganassan 8.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 6.4 Levant_PPNB 3.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 1.0 WHG Target: KUP025 Distance: 6.6442% / 0.06644231 45.4 Nganassan 34.4 Han 19.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 1.0 Yoruba Target: RKF052 Distance: 2.6924% / 0.02692406 34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 20.0 TUR_Barcin_N 14.2 Han 13.4 Nganassan 7.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 5.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 3.8 WHG 1.6 Yoruba Target: RKF106 Distance: 6.6032% / 0.06603235 56.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 25.8 TUR_Barcin_N 17.4 WHG Target: RKF041 Distance: 1.6771% / 0.01677134 39.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 36.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 5.4 Nganassan 5.2 Han 3.8 Levant_PPNB 2.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 2.2 WHG 1.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 1.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 0.6 MAR_Taforalt 0.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728 0.2 ETH_4500BP Target: RKF038 Distance: 3.0334% / 0.03033444 31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 29.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 14.8 Han 12.0 Nganassan 6.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 4.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 0.8 WHG 0.6 Yoruba 0.4 Levant_PPNB 0.2 MAR_Taforalt Target: RKF020 Distance: 2.5509% / 0.02550851 19.0 Nganassan 15.6 TUR_Barcin_N 15.4 Han 15.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 11.2 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 8.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 6.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 3.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N 1.8 MAR_Taforalt 1.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA2_I8728 1.0 WHG 1.0 Yoruba Target: KUP021 Distance: 1.5884% / 0.01588427 34.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 17.2 TUR_Barcin_N 5.4 WHG 4.6 Nganassan 4.4 Han 2.0 MAR_Taforalt Target: RKF071 Distance: 3.4918% / 0.03491826 38.6 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 24.2 TUR_Barcin_N 17.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 13.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 6.4 WHG 0.2 MAR_Taforalt Target: RKF210 Distance: 3.0299% / 0.03029872 30.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 18.6 Nganassan 14.6 Han 13.0 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 10.8 TUR_Barcin_N 7.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 2.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 1.8 WHG 1.0 Yoruba Target: RKF223 Distance: 2.3244% / 0.02324429 30.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara 27.8 TUR_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N 13.6 Han 10.2 Nganassan 8.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps 6.4 Levant_PPNB 3.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP 0.8 WHG RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 03-08-2024 KUP001,0.032714,-0.439335,0.115090,-0.008413,-0.103323,-0.062792,-0.048530,-0.053947,0.010148,0.008436,0.003700,0.000147,0.000660,-0.016922,-0.013057,-0.007705,-0.001084,0.005914,0.015287,0.012879,0.002135,-0.015177,-0.002378,0.005311,0.011766 RKF095,0.079302,-0.081571,0.049534,0.001927,-0.020103,-0.007538,-0.010614,-0.014777,-0.010869,-0.006220,-0.004752,-0.001167,0.001743,-0.004381,-0.003200,-0.001484,-0.000687,0.001173,0.003339,0.002614,0.000184,-0.002069,0.000463,0.000915,0.003659 RKF117,0.057722,-0.157307,0.057101,-0.005282,-0.041507,-0.022058,-0.019350,-0.022802,-0.002830,-0.000177,-0.003823,-0.000856,0.001775,-0.007926,-0.004664,-0.002786,-0.000941,0.001988,0.005320,0.004898,0.000632,-0.005812,-0.000018,0.001661,0.005611 RKF039,0.085792,-0.064039,0.043649,0.002124,-0.025568,-0.005649,-0.006812,-0.011652,-0.013067,-0.008267,-0.015814,-0.002476,0.003396,-0.002409,-0.003833,-0.001867,-0.000146,0.000669,0.001937,0.002387,0.000136,-0.000426,0.000824,0.000720,0.003025 RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - cottager - 03-12-2024 Capsian20, Please, if possible, specify the coordinates G25 for the sample RKF275. Thank you. RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 03-12-2024 (03-12-2024, 05:00 AM)cottager Wrote: Capsian20, yes of course but its only G25_K12b RKF275,0.136441,0.150268,0.067302,0.047902,0.043892,0.020584,0.003057,0.004560,0.003884,-0.004836,-0.006216,-0.002485,0.002848,0.001256,0.001814,0.001611,-0.001716,-0.001045,-0.002027,-0.001588,-0.000464,0.004227,0.000692,-0.000832,-0.001639 RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - rafc - 04-23-2024 To recap some of the information on this paper: (02-28-2024, 09:37 AM)teepean Wrote: Not sure if this has been discussed before. (03-02-2024, 11:10 PM)fj-blanco Wrote: Here is the Excel sheet with additional Avar samples. Around 50 are still missing; I will update the link tomorrow. Now, I have included the next best prediction along with their scores. The predictions come from (my fork of) CladeFinder, after some post-processing of the .vcf files, without manual verification. The predictions are conservative. I expect most females and very low-quality samples to be excluded from the file. Perhaps this approach is suboptimal compared to, for example, YLeaf, but it is part of a experimentation. I think the list was never fully completed, but we have nearly all thanks to fj-blanco. (03-03-2024, 12:30 PM)szahel Wrote: HNJ – Hajdúnánás (03-03-2024, 09:28 PM)Trojet Wrote: I quickly checked the BAMs of 12 samples which were predicted J-L283 or downstream, more specifically: RKC002, RKC042, RKC011, RKC020, RKF036, RKC038, RKF046, RKF142, RKC036, RKF031, RKF016, RKF010. They are all under J-L283>>Z631>>CTS11760 And now we have the G25: (04-23-2024, 12:43 PM)Radko Wrote: New Global25 coordinates (Avar, Sarmatian, Gepid, etc. samples including labels from "Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities" study) based on the official genotype data - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1xGPQI6cFOG72mpB7lnxdpSxP9i3-tfmB/view?usp=sharing RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - rafc - 04-23-2024 With G25 we can look at the samples a bit closer. The many J2b samples (see quote from Trojet above for their subclade) So the J2b are clearly a clan with semi-Avar like genes. Same for the big J1 clan: And again for the many N, who are fully Eastern Steppe: RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - rafc - 04-23-2024 The situation is very different for some other groups. V13 has it's typical wide spread from Thracian like to Central-European, J2a surprisingly is all Central European, while a lot of the I1 look fittingly like Germanics. The I2 also look Central-European, while R1a is a bit all over the place, but on the WHG/Steppe side of things: RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Riverman - 04-23-2024 The E-V13 look to me like locals plus people from East and South of the Carpathians. Not like coming from just one poplulation. RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - eastara - 04-24-2024 Not a single I2a-Dinaric! There was a theory, that they spread to the Balkans at least partially from Pannonia. The early Slavs must have already entered the Balkans around the Avar period. So where were the Dinarics hiding before that? Probably a North East and steppe route, or unsampled locals after all? RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Riverman - 04-24-2024 (04-24-2024, 12:10 AM)eastara Wrote: Not a single I2a-Dinaric! There was a theory, that they spread to the Balkans at least partially from Pannonia. The early Slavs must have already entered the Balkans around the Avar period. So where were the Dinarics hiding before that? Probably a North East and steppe route, or unsampled locals after all? I think its a combination of not the right place, too small of a population and cremation rite. RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - rafc - 04-24-2024 The paper is out: (04-24-2024, 03:17 PM)J1_DYS388=13 Wrote: Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 04-24-2024 (04-24-2024, 03:41 PM)rafc Wrote: The paper is out:Sorry, the page you requested is unavailable. The link you requested might be broken, or no longer exis RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - rafc - 04-24-2024 It works fine for me ... RE: some G25_K12b Network of large pedigrees reveals social practices of Avar communities - Capsian20 - 04-24-2024 Now yes its work |