Genetic Genealogy & Ancient DNA (DISCUSSION ONLY)

[Woz]

I disagree with the map above. There was no such thing as "Early West Eurasian."

European Aurignacians and Gravettians (including Kostenki and Sunghir) were on a cline with Yana_UP, had Salkhit-like ancestry, just like Yana_UP (so the gene flow was certainly not unidirectional as the map indicates), and overall were not that distant from it. This is the pre-LGM Mammoth Steppe genetic cluster, neither eastern nor western but broadly northern Eurasian.

[old europe]

Made by Arain23IN on Wikipedia, that username reminds me of someone who may have had a presence on Anthrogenica and/or Brown Pundits? Sharing in this thread because I felt like it should be shared on GenArchivist.

The Ancient North Siberian and Ancient North Eurasian lineage(s). Formation and ancestral components are based on Vallini et al. 2022 (https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/14/...45/6563828). The map is taken from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...(drab).png

Proportions between west and east are 
ANS
70% Kostenki
30% east Eurasian

[old europe]

I disagree with the map above. There was no such thing as "Early West Eurasian."

European Aurignacians and Gravettians (including Kostenki and Sunghir) were on a cline with Yana_UP, had Salkhit-like ancestry, just like Yana_UP (so the gene flow was certainly not unidirectional as the map indicates), and overall were not that distant from it. This is the pre-LGM Mammoth Steppe genetic cluster, neither eastern nor western but broadly northern Eurasian.

That is impossible 
going by uniparental Europe would see the presence of P derived ylines since the upper Paleolithic 
There is no trace of Salkhit like ancestry in Europe 
DNA from east Eurasian is Bacho Kiro/Oase like in Europe so from the first wawe of population 
If a ANS like popultion expanded both east and west from Siberia what watered down the east eurasian dna in Europe?  Bacho Kiro + Yana would make europeans look like a Tyanyuan population . That is not what we see

[sg_jun]

Archaeogenetic analysis revealed East Eurasian paternal origin to the Aba royal family of Hungary

Abstract
The Aba family played a pivotal role in the early history of Medieval Hungary dominating extensive territories and giving rise to influential figures. We conducted an archaeogenetic examination of remains uncovered at the necropolis in Abasar, the political centre of the Aba clan, to identify Aba family members and shed light on their genetic origins. Utilizing Whole Genome Sequencing (WGS) data from 19 individuals, complemented by radiocarbon measurements, we identified 6 members of the Aba family who shared close kinship relations. Our analysis revealed that 4 males from this family carried identical N1a1a1a1a4~ haplogroups. Significantly, our phylogenetic investigation traced this royal paternal lineage back to Mongolia, strongly suggesting its migration to the Carpathian Basin with the conquering Hungarians. Genome analysis, incorporating ADMIXTURE, Principal Component Analysis (PCA), and qpAdm, revealed East Eurasian patterns in the studied genomes, consistent with our phylogenetic results. Shared Identity by Descent (IBD) analysis confirmed the family kinship relations and shed light on further external kinship connections. It revealed that members of the Aba family were related to members of prominent Hungarian medieval noble families the Arpads, Bathorys and Corvinus as well as to the first-generation immigrant elite of the Hungarian conquest.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/...InSqsPQS4A

   

[Tomenable]

Does anyone have a link to the genotype data in plink or geno format of Pohansko Great Moravian Slavs?

[rmstevens2]

Made by Arain23IN on Wikipedia, that username reminds me of someone who may have had a presence on Anthrogenica and/or Brown Pundits? Sharing in this thread because I felt like it should be shared on GenArchivist.

The Ancient North Siberian and Ancient North Eurasian lineage(s). Formation and ancestral components are based on Vallini et al. 2022 (https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/14/...45/6563828). The map is taken from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...(drab).png

Thanks for posting that. Very informative. As a layman and absolute duffer when it comes to really seriously ancient DNA like that, I have to ask, what is the informed consensus here on the content of those maps, especially the second one? Are they pretty reliable and evidence based?

I like graphic presentations like that. They make things easier to grasp.

Thanks!

[Sephesakueu]

Is Mal'ta really just 50% west eurasian? I thought it was around 70% on average.

[old europe]

Is Mal'ta really just 50% west eurasian?  I thought it was around 70% on average.

I think it is more. Yana is the most eastern shifted. Afontova Gora the most west shifted

[okarinaofsteiner]

Made by Arain23IN on Wikipedia, that username reminds me of someone who may have had a presence on Anthrogenica and/or Brown Pundits? Sharing in this thread because I felt like it should be shared on GenArchivist.

The Ancient North Siberian and Ancient North Eurasian lineage(s). Formation and ancestral components are based on Vallini et al. 2022 (https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/14/...45/6563828). The map is taken from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...(drab).png

Thanks for posting that. Very informative. As a layman and absolute duffer when it comes to really seriously ancient DNA like that, I have to ask, what is the informed consensus here on the content of those maps, especially the second one? Are they pretty reliable and evidence based?

I like graphic presentations like that. They make things easier to grasp.

Thanks!

I never followed that topic super closely while Anthrogenica was a thing, so I found that chart quite informative too. I mainly understand EHG (Eastern [European] HG) and WSHG (West Siberian HG) in the context of the role they played with Indo-European ethnogenesis; to my knowledge the latter is relevant to various steppe cultures that contributed to the original Indo-Aryan peoples, and therefore the ethnogenesis of the Indian subcontinent.

[Desdonas]

Made by Arain23IN on Wikipedia, that username reminds me of someone who may have had a presence on Anthrogenica and/or Brown Pundits? Sharing in this thread because I felt like it should be shared on GenArchivist.

The Ancient North Siberian and Ancient North Eurasian lineage(s). Formation and ancestral components are based on Vallini et al. 2022 (https://academic.oup.com/gbe/article/14/...45/6563828). The map is taken from: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:...(drab).png

Thanks for posting that. Very informative. As a layman and absolute duffer when it comes to really seriously ancient DNA like that, I have to ask, what is the informed consensus here on the content of those maps, especially the second one? Are they pretty reliable and evidence based?

I like graphic presentations like that. They make things easier to grasp.

Thanks!

It is obvious that the second one lacks various geneflow arrows related to the formation of EHG and WSHG. Both EHG and WSHG are mixed. EHG is ANE+WHG+some CHG-like, while WSHG is ANE+EHG+East Asian or APS. 

Also, Yana may not be the unadmixed+direct ancestor of Mal'ta. Mal'ta is more West Eurasian (also has some Onge affinity), while Yana is more East Eurasian (also has some Tianyuan affinity). It is possible that Mal'ta is Yana+extra geneflow from southwest, or Yana is "Proto-ANS/E" (35,000bp?) plus minor Tianyuan.

[pelop]

Weyher family DNA results - https://www.archeologia.uw.edu.pl/wp-con...erow-1.pdf

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weyher_family

Y-DNA - G-FGC962 (G2a2b2a1a1a1a1~)
Pk.M.120.KW.06 - Ernest Wejher (?)

Maybe this family belong a this subclade G-Z38846 ?

Almost certainly belongs to this branch (of Iron Age Anatolian or Caucasian origin) that has a big founder effect somewhere in Germany ~300 AD:

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/G-Y19318/tree

[pelop]

Preprint:

Identification of the 18 World War II Executed Citizens of Adele, Rethymnon, Crete Using an Ancient DNA Approach and Low Coverage Genomes

Nikolaos Psonis, Despoina Vassou, Argyro Nafplioti, Eugenia Tabakaki, Pavlos Pavlidis, Alexandros Stamatakis, Nikos Poulakakis

Foundation for Research and Technology - Hellas (FORTH) - Institute of Molecular Biology and Biotechnology (IMBB)
(Heraklion, Crete, Greece)

Abstract

In the Battle of Crete during the World War II occupation of Greece, the German forces faced substantial civilian resistance. To retribute the numerous German losses, a series of mass executions took place in numerous places in Crete; a common practice reported from Greece and elsewhere. In Adele, a village in the regional unit of Rethymnon, 18 male civilians were executed and buried in a burial pit at the Sarakina site. In this study, the first one conducted for a conflict that occurred in Greece, we identified for humanitarian purposes the 18 skulls of the Sarakina victims, following a request from the local community of Adele. The molecular identification of historical human remains via ancient DNA approaches and low coverage whole genome sequencing has only recently been introduced. Here, we performed genome skimming on the living relatives of the victims, as well as high throughput historical DNA analysis on the skulls to infer the kinship degrees among the victims via genetic relatedness analyses. We also conducted targeted anthropological analysis to successfully complete the identification of all Sarakina victims. We demonstrate that our methodological approach constitutes a potentially highly informative forensic tool to identify war victims. It can hence be applied to analogous studies on degraded DNA, thus, paving the path for systematic war victim identification in Greece and beyond.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...id=4647981

pàpèr mentioned a sup. table with haplogroups. Hpwever I cannot find link to download this table. Have you reached the data?
Supplementary Table S5. Genetic sex estimation and haplogroup assignments (mtDNA and
Y-chromosome) for both the victims and the living
 relatives

It's a preprint, data and supplemental material aren't available yet. In the text they have some macro-haplogroup assignments for the 17 victims:

8 J
6 I (I-L596 Armenian/Caucasian & I-M423)
2 R1b (R1b1a2, based on ISOGG 2016 they reference it's R-V88?)
1 E

[Rozenfeld]

https://history.fas.harvard.edu/event/mi...tan-danube

Migrations, Mediterranean to Slavic: Ancient Dna Reveals the Roman Empire’s Cosmopolitan Danube Frontier From Domitian to the Slavs

Date: Tuesday, April 16, 2024, 4:30pm to 6:15pm
Location: Fong Auditorium, Boylston Hall, Harvard Yard, Harvard University, Cambridge, MA

Come learn how the humanities are using biomolecules, archaeology and history to discover a dramatic new vision of the Roman Empire and its enduring impact. Stunning new ancient DNA evidence from the SoHP/MHAAM research team reveals the Roman Empire’s cosmopolitan society on the Danube Balkans frontier down to the Slavic migration.

Speakers will include:

Kyle Harper, G.T. and Libby Blankenship Chair in the History of Liberty and Professor of Classics and Letters, University of Oklahoma

Michael McCormick, Francis Goelet Professor of Medieval History, Harvard University; Chair, SoHP; Director at Harvard, MHAAM

Iñigo Olalde, Ikerbasque Research Fellow, BIOMICS research group, University of Basque Country

David Reich, Professor of Genetics, Harvard Medical School; Professor of Human Evolutionary Biology, Harvard University

With comments provided by: Margaret M. Andrews, Assistant Professor of Classics, Harvard University; Victoria Moses, Getty Postdoctoral Fellow, MHAAM, Harvard University; Solenn Troadec, Lounsbery Postdoctoral Fellow, MHAAM, Harvard University.

Public reception to follow in Ticknor Lounge, Boylston Hall

Remote attendees: please register in advance for the live webinar at https://harvard.zoom.us/webinar/register...AyFNWokodA

[JonikW]

Does anyone remember which paper featured samples from the Coldrum Neolithic long barrow at Trottiscliffe in Kent? I've searched in every way I know and can't find it. I only remember the publication was an extensive one from some years ago and I've long lost my download. Any help would be much appreciated.

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Brace et al. 2018 Coldrum_1 Coldrum1 England Coldrum, Trottiscliffe, Kent, England 51.32 0.37 Early Neolithic 3980-2980 BCE 0.533 WGS; SNPCAP BAM with unaligned reads Current Study Yes No Yes Yes Yes No Yes No Yes Yes Yes