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10-02-2023, 08:43 AM
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I was born in Guadalajara, Jalisco (Western Mexico) and I used the MyHeritageDNA raw data because I saw my other results with the FamilyTreeDNA and AncestryDNA raw datas were a mess (The percentages and continental estimations).
So these were the ones that made the most sense:
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
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Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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10-28-2023, 04:08 PM
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There can be very large differences at LivingDNA between results based on LivingDNA's own test and results based on an upload of someone else's test.
For example, here's what I get based on my own LivingDNA test:
- 76.9% Great Britain and Ireland
- 16.4% Northwest Germanic
- 6.7% East Iberia
However, this is what I get based on an uploaded file from 23andMe (v2-v3):
- 45% Great Britain and Ireland
- 37.8% Northwest Germanic
- 15% East Iberia
- 2.2% Sardinia
LivingDNA is also the only company out of five -- the other four being 23andMe, Ancestry, FTDNA, and MyHeritage -- that failed to detect my small amount of Indigenous Americas ancestry, which is documented. I will note that this is only 2%, but there is general agreement between the other companies and my paper trail as to this amount.
My ancestry is Palatine German - Swiss - Alsatian / British & Irish / Menorcan / French / Indigenous American
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Nationality: English/Welsh
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There are several problems with the Living DNA modelling. I was born 8 miles from the Welsh border, my 3xGtGf generation were born in Wales. I only show 2.8% North Wales ancestry but 18.% Northern Ireland / South West Scottish ancestry, I have no paper evidence for the NI SW Scottish connections but ample for the Welsh - go figure!
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Y-DNA (P): R1a>Z280>L365>FT2484
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mtDNA (M): H1c3b
mtDNA (P): H2a3
10-29-2023, 01:50 PM
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Ever since they attempted to split Europe up, my results have been abysmal.
my swab kit
NE Germanic 60.2%
South Germanic 5.5%
France 3.2%
West Russia 19.3%
NE Europe 5.5%
England and Wales 6.3%
Then here's my French maternal grandma's 23andMe upload:
France 92.1%
North Italy 4.2%
East Iberia 2.1%
West Iberia 1.6%
Doesn't seem right since we share ~25% DNA. Grandma is extremely accurate, but mine is pretty off.
So then I was curious. Here's my 23andMe upload:
NE Germanic 42%
France 5.7%
Scandinavia 4.8%
South Germanic 3.3%
West Russia 16.3%
NE Europe 11.8%
Pannonia 2.1%
England and Wales 6.6%
Scotland and Ireland 2.8%
West Iberia 2.4%
East Iberia 2.3%
So my 23andMe upload is more accurate - though there are gapping holes still. NE Germanic is like a G25 calc. I would argue this is my genetic average. My ancestry comprises of the following:
25% NW Russian
25% France (Centre-Val de Loire)
12.5% Pomerania (Poland/Germany)
12.5% Scandinavian (Dane and Swede)
25% NW German (Hanover, Lower Saxony)
On G25, my average is NE German shifted north further to Sweden. My point is, I yield a lot of NE Germanic on LDNA, but it doesn't reflect my background. I also yield hardly any French or Scandinavian.
Similarly, I get all these GB/Ireland catch alls categories. LDNA cannot tell German/Dane apart from English either. I asked LDNA back in 2020 or 2021 what this was and basically their reply was "NW European" like 23andMe's Broadly NWE category. Different from people with actual ancestry from these areas - Wales, Ireland etc...
Anyways, they haven't updated since 2021, maybe they'll give it the good ol' college try again?
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yDNA: Pomerania, 1854
mtDNA: Bagneux, Indre, Centre-Val de Loire, France (grandma born Bagneux 1927, 6x great grandma born Bagneux 1769)
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11-11-2023, 12:33 PM
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It gives by far the worst breakdown out of three tests that I tried (My Heritage, Family Tree DNA and this one). Completely can't differentiates between southeastern Mediterranean (Aegean) and other regions of Balkan.
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mtDNA (P): H6a1
Mine is an upload but my GB & Ireland is inflated, NW Germanic is a bit on the low side, all my non-European is on the low side and my Indian is missing/become "Arabia" randomly *shrugs*.
82.4% GB & Ireland
1.8% NW Germanic
8.8% South China
5% East Africa
2% Arabia
Mixed European and Mauritian Creole (Mozambican, Malagasy, Chinese and Indian).
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FTDNA raw-data upload
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(11-11-2023, 12:33 PM)member Wrote: It gives by far the worst breakdown out of three tests that I tried (My Heritage, Family Tree DNA and this one). Completely can't differentiates between southeastern Mediterranean (Aegean) and other regions of Balkan.
To me it was MH, the rest were pretty decent to even very good.
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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(11-12-2023, 12:30 AM)alexfritz Wrote: FTDNA raw-data upload
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Was it accurate for you?
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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Gender: Undisclosed
Ethnicity: Mixed
Nationality: British
Y-DNA (P): I-Z58
Y-DNA (M): E-P252
mtDNA (M): H5a1g1
mtDNA (P): H6a1
My mum's upload again European inflated, non-European on the low side. I'm not keen on the fact they use Kleurlinge/South African coloureds they are a mixed group. It just confuses things. They even say in their description that most coloureds have a high amount of Khoisan and Xhosa, which they cover in the test separately. I suspect if Kleurlinge was removed it would change to Southeastern Bantu and her Indian would go up a few % points as well.
40.1% GB & Ireland
14% NW Germanic
17.8% South China
3.3% Southeast Asia
13.8% Kleurlinge
3.2% Malawi Bantu
2.1% Luhya
5.6% Indian Subcontinent
Mixed European and Mauritian Creole (Mozambican, Malagasy, Chinese and Indian).
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mtDNA (P): H6a1
My dad's is 100% GB & Ireland. I know he's heavily GB & Ireland but he does have a North Dutch great-grandfather so should have at least some NW Germanic.
Mixed European and Mauritian Creole (Mozambican, Malagasy, Chinese and Indian).
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11-12-2023, 06:00 PM
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(11-12-2023, 10:50 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: (11-12-2023, 12:30 AM)alexfritz Wrote: FTDNA raw-data upload
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pretty much yes
though you never know how they construct their clusters
that was the 2021 update the og 2020 upload was this
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overall im still a fan of the frm DNA.Land which i think was very close to what was also seen (clusterwise) in academic papers
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12-23-2023, 08:30 PM
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(11-12-2023, 11:39 AM)JFWinstone Wrote: My mum's upload again European inflated, non-European on the low side. I'm not keen on the fact they use Kleurlinge/South African coloureds they are a mixed group. It just confuses things. They even say in their description that most coloureds have a high amount of Khoisan and Xhosa, which they cover in the test separately. I suspect if Kleurlinge was removed it would change to Southeastern Bantu and her Indian would go up a few % points as well.
40.1% GB & Ireland
14% NW Germanic
17.8% South China
3.3% Southeast Asia
13.8% Kleurlinge
3.2% Malawi Bantu
2.1% Luhya
5.6% Indian Subcontinent This is interesting, it probably detects some form of genetic similarity to Cape Coloured people who have some Malagasy heritage and mostly dutch/german/norwegian heritage. I am from SA and on MyHeritage I have shared dna with a lady from Madagascar. LivingDNA cannot pick apart heritage from Nguni people and Rozwi/Karanga/Kalanga people in Southeast africa because these people have recently mixed togethor. I onced asked LivingDNA why they have grouped these two people and they said if I have some of these peoples heritage it would pick it up which is total lie because I know I have that heritage.
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The new genetic donut:
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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Ethnicity: English, Scottish & Irish
Nationality: American
Y-DNA (P): I-FT80630
mtDNA (M): H1e2
I believe this is the last update I have from LDNA. It’s taken from the original sample I gave them back in 2016
While I could quibble about some of the percentages, for the most part they’ve done a good job. As they’ve correctly identified all of the areas that have contributed to my ancestry.
Paper Trail: 42% English, 31.5% Scottish, 12.5% Irish, 6.25% German, 6.25% Sicilian & 1.5% French.
LDNA©: Britain & Ireland: 89.3% (51.5% English, 37.8% Scottish & Irish), N.W. Germanic: 7.8%, Europe South: 2.9% (Southern Italy & Sicily)
BigY 700: I1-Z141 >F2642 >Y3649 >Y7198 (c.365 AD) >Y168300 (c.410 AD) >A13248 (c.880 AD) >A13252 (c.1055 AD) >FT81015 (c.1285 AD) >A13243 (c.1620 AD) >FT80854 (c.1700 AD) >FT80630 (1893 AD).
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