Basal E-P177(E1b*) assigned to Yemeni on FtDNA and Yfull

[Jerome]

FtDNA has classified and assigned a Yemeni individual to E-P177*
The sample was registered with FTDNA Company with the number IN130017
-It was uploaded to Yfull Tree with the number YF128201


He can be seen here.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-P177*/


"The result is positive for the upper mutation E-P177, negative for 90 mutations synonymous with it, and positive for 8 mutations synonymous with it only, and it has 526 specific mutations.
The specific result was isolated about 45-50 thousand years ago, where the E-P177 strain was divided into two parts, divided into all the biology results, and divided into the Yemeni Wasabi result. The sample will greatly affect the structure of the E-P177 mutation and the location of its origin"


This split happened around 45-50K years ago,shortly after the DE split happened (55KYA).
This guy seems to be a very early split in P-177 which is a huge news since he is ancestral to all extant E1B downstreams.

Combined with Basal D0 in a Yemeni and Syrian(more basal than the Nigerian D0) the case for DE being Basal-Eurasian or P originally and splitting somewhere around Nile Valley, Sinai and Hijaz is becoming stronger.
Combined with the fact that all Africans with early split seem to be A0,A and B.

We need more sampling from ancient middle East and Nile valley, especially upper paleolithic era samples.

Just like C and F were once 100% of the European Y-dna yet now less than 1%,same situation could have happened in middle East and Nile Valley.


More can be read here about the sample

https://twitter.com/JassasTY8849/status/...2377819632

[Riverman]

Yemen and the Gulf states are in my opinion good candidates for both the origin of Basal Eurasian and DE/E. However, without having samples the Near East and North East Africa before the Natufian period, we are still guessing, because even basal variants can migrate.

[Southpaw]

Yemen was under the rule of Kingdom of Aksum for a time.

Ethiopian highlands are the best bet for the origin of Y-DNA E.

[Megalophias]

This guy seems to be a very early split in P-177 which is a huge news since he is ancestral to all extant E1B downstreams.

Combined with Basal D0 in a Yemeni and Syrian(more basal than the Nigerian D0)....

Unfortunately Arabia is orders of magnitude more densely tested than Africa, which makes all conclusions from present-day diversity very doubtful.

On the FTDNA tree there are 3 D0 branches: one contains a few Arabs, one several Nigerians, an American, and a couple of Saudis, and one an American and two of unknown origin. Anyone know anything about that last one - is it African-American or what?

[Capsian20]

This guy seems to be a very early split in P-177 which is a huge news since he is ancestral to all extant E1B downstreams.

Combined with Basal D0 in a Yemeni and Syrian(more basal than the Nigerian D0)....

Unfortunately Arabia is orders of magnitude more densely tested than Africa, which makes all conclusions from present-day diversity very doubtful.

On the FTDNA tree there are 3 D0 branches: one contains a few Arabs, one several Nigerians, an American, and a couple of Saudis, and one an American and two of unknown origin. Anyone know anything about that last one - is it African-American or what?

If you look to subclade E-V38 < M329 , at first glance, this branch might seem more Arab than some Arab branches from Y-DNA Hg J-P58 and E-M84

[TanTin]

Translated from Arabic by(*Google*)
https://twitter.com/JassasTY8849/status/...2377819632

In cooperation with the E-M84 project:

We are pleased to announce a qualitative Yemeni result, for brother Muhammad bin Salem bin Saleh Al-Shukri from Shukr district, from Wisab Al-Safil, from Dhamar, Yemen.

The sample was registered with FTDNA Company with the number IN130017
-It was uploaded to Yfull Tree with the number YF128201

The qualitative result is positive for the upper mutation E-P177, negative for 90 mutations synonymous with it, and positive for 8 mutations synonymous with it only, and it has 526 specific mutations.
The specific result was isolated about 45-50 thousand years ago, where the E-P177 strain was divided into two parts, divided into all the biology results, and divided into the Yemeni Wasabi result. The sample will greatly affect the structure of the E-P177 mutation and the location of its origin.

[Capsian20]

Yemen and the Gulf states are in my opinion good candidates for both the origin of Basal Eurasian and DE/E. However, without having samples the Near East and North East Africa before the Natufian period, we are still guessing, because even basal variants can migrate.

I dont think it Hg DE and E formed in Horn Africa
there linked history between Yemen and horn african
this samples E-P177* ( there other sample from South Africa belong in this subclade ) so is clear Hg E is formed in Africa

[TanTin]

Yemen and the Gulf states are in my opinion good candidates for both the origin of Basal Eurasian and DE/E. However, without having samples the Near East and North East Africa before the Natufian period, we are still guessing, because even basal variants can migrate.

I dont think it Hg DE and E formed in Horn Africa
there linked history between Yemen and horn african
this samples E-P177* ( there other sample from South Africa belong in this subclade ) so is clear Hg E is formed in Africa

For me Yemen and Arabian peninsula is the perfect place for the formation of  DE and E and also C.
It is OOA, and from there these hg spread in different directions, but not back to Africa. If it was in Africa, we should see some of them also existing in Africa. But we see only hg E which migrated back to Africa.  All others are missing.  One of the  initial hypothesis was that hg DE was formed in South Asia, near India.

[alchemist223]

This guy seems to be a very early split in P-177 which is a huge news since he is ancestral to all extant E1B downstreams.

Combined with Basal D0 in a Yemeni and Syrian(more basal than the Nigerian D0)....

Unfortunately Arabia is orders of magnitude more densely tested than Africa, which makes all conclusions from present-day diversity very doubtful.

On the FTDNA tree there are 3 D0 branches: one contains a few Arabs, one several Nigerians, an American, and a couple of Saudis, and one an American and two of unknown origin. Anyone know anything about that last one - is it African-American or what?

Strongly agree with this.

[Inquirer]

FtDNA has classified and assigned a Yemeni individual to E-P177*
The sample was registered with FTDNA Company with the number IN130017
-It was uploaded to Yfull Tree with the number YF128201


He can be seen here.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-P177*/


"The result is positive for the upper mutation E-P177, negative for 90 mutations synonymous with it, and positive for 8 mutations synonymous with it only, and it has 526 specific mutations.
The specific result was isolated about 45-50 thousand years ago, where the E-P177 strain was divided into two parts, divided into all the biology results, and divided into the Yemeni Wasabi result. The sample will greatly affect the structure of the E-P177 mutation and the location of its origin"


This split happened around 45-50K years ago,shortly after the DE split happened (55KYA).
This guy seems to be a very early split in P-177 which is a huge news since he is ancestral to all extant E1B downstreams.

Combined with Basal D0 in a Yemeni and Syrian(more basal than the Nigerian D0) the case for DE being Basal-Eurasian or P originally and splitting somewhere around Nile Valley, Sinai and Hijaz is becoming stronger.
Combined with the fact that all Africans with early split seem to be A0,A and B.

We need more sampling from ancient middle East and Nile valley, especially upper paleolithic era samples.

Just like C and F were once 100% of the European Y-dna yet now less than 1%,same situation could have happened in middle East and Nile Valley.


More can be read here about the sample

https://twitter.com/JassasTY8849/status/...2377819632

DE developed into D-CTS3946 and E-M96 approximately 65,200 years ago, according to Y-Full. Where did you get 45-50 kya from? Are you referring to the MRCAs of D-CTS3946 and E-M96? According to Y-Full, that of E-M96 lived approximately 52,300 kya, and that of D-CTS3946 lived approximately 46,500 kya.