Myth of Anatolian Greeks being "assimilated Hittites, Luwians....."

[Aeolus]

"A shift towards the Aegean first occurs in Anatolia during the Iron Age (~1st millennium BCE) coinciding with the period of Greek colonization and the formation of the Hellenistic oikoumene (and the replacement of Anatolian languages by Greek)."

https://imgur.com/a/b1LCDHc
   

Here's the source: https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/stat...VAV9A&s=19

It's a nice plot and reveals to us how Anatolians weren't just assimilated into the hellenic culture by a minority conqueror group, but they mixed with them, becoming ethnically Greek. 

Byzantine era Greeks can be modelled as 30-40% Mycenaean, the rest of their makeup being Phoenician and aboriginal Anatolian. When using iron age Anatolian populations, like Phrygians, they are modelled as predominantly Phrygian.

Keep in mind that Phrygians and even Carians have a Mycenaean input, so it can be very misleading. It's also said that even BA Anatolians had a Proto-Greek input.

Here are some models:
Byzantine Southwest: 
   
Carian: 
   
Phrygian:
   

This doesn't mean that every single Anatolian group in origin is Greek. No. Its meant to demonstrate how they share DNA and how later on, the Greek identity was natural as the Anatolians after the Hellenistic period were literally Greeks. The population did change.

Regarding the Byzantine Anatolian Mycenaean admixture, it could also be the case that Byzantine Anatolians have Balkan ancestry, either from hellenistic Macedonians, or Balkan Slavs. If it is Macedonian Greeks, then they aren't 30-40% Mycenaean, but 15-20% Macedonian Greek and 15-20% Mycenaean. 

I'm still looking into this, so it's just a theory right now.

For now, we can definitely conclude that Anatolian Greeks aren't just assimilated Hittites, Phrygians, Lydians, etc, but actual ethnic Greeks.

[BowFX]

"A shift towards the Aegean first occurs in Anatolia during the Iron Age (~1st millennium BCE) coinciding with the period of Greek colonization and the formation of the Hellenistic oikoumene (and the replacement of Anatolian languages by Greek)."

https://imgur.com/a/b1LCDHc


Here's the source: https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/stat...VAV9A&s=19

It's a nice plot and reveals to us how Anatolians weren't just assimilated into the hellenic culture by a minority conqueror group, but they mixed with them, becoming ethnically Greek. 

Byzantine era Greeks can be modelled as 30-40% Mycenaean, the rest of their makeup being Phoenician and aboriginal Anatolian. When using iron age Anatolian populations, like Phrygians, they are modelled as predominantly Phrygian.

Keep in mind that Phrygians and even Carians have a Mycenaean input, so it can be very misleading. It's also said that even BA Anatolians had a Proto-Greek input.

Here are some models:
Byzantine Southwest: 

Carian: 

Phrygian:


This doesn't mean that every single Anatolian group in origin is Greek. No. Its meant to demonstrate how they share DNA and how later on, the Greek identity was natural as the Anatolians after the Hellenistic period were literally Greeks. The population did change.

Regarding the Byzantine Anatolian Mycenaean admixture, it could also be the case that Byzantine Anatolians have Balkan ancestry, either from hellenistic Macedonians, or Balkan Slavs. If it is Macedonian Greeks, then they aren't 30-40% Mycenaean, but 15-20% Macedonian Greek and 15-20% Mycenaean. 

I'm still looking into this, so it's just a theory right now.

For now, we can definitely conclude that Anatolian Greeks aren't just assimilated Hittites, Phrygians, Lydians, etc, but actual ethnic Greeks.

Interesting. Lazaridis also mentioned parts of Anatolia shifting towards the Aegean in one of his tweets.

Could you also model the Hellenistic Samsun era samples?

Also, don't you think the models are a little overfitted? You aren't using any BA West Anatolian samples for the Byzantines, so they look like a mix of BA Greece, BA East Anatolia and BA Levant.

[Aeolus]

"A shift towards the Aegean first occurs in Anatolia during the Iron Age (~1st millennium BCE) coinciding with the period of Greek colonization and the formation of the Hellenistic oikoumene (and the replacement of Anatolian languages by Greek)."

https://imgur.com/a/b1LCDHc


Here's the source: https://twitter.com/iosif_lazaridis/stat...VAV9A&s=19

It's a nice plot and reveals to us how Anatolians weren't just assimilated into the hellenic culture by a minority conqueror group, but they mixed with them, becoming ethnically Greek. 

Byzantine era Greeks can be modelled as 30-40% Mycenaean, the rest of their makeup being Phoenician and aboriginal Anatolian. When using iron age Anatolian populations, like Phrygians, they are modelled as predominantly Phrygian.

Keep in mind that Phrygians and even Carians have a Mycenaean input, so it can be very misleading. It's also said that even BA Anatolians had a Proto-Greek input.

Here are some models:
Byzantine Southwest: 

Carian: 

Phrygian:


This doesn't mean that every single Anatolian group in origin is Greek. No. Its meant to demonstrate how they share DNA and how later on, the Greek identity was natural as the Anatolians after the Hellenistic period were literally Greeks. The population did change.

Regarding the Byzantine Anatolian Mycenaean admixture, it could also be the case that Byzantine Anatolians have Balkan ancestry, either from hellenistic Macedonians, or Balkan Slavs. If it is Macedonian Greeks, then they aren't 30-40% Mycenaean, but 15-20% Macedonian Greek and 15-20% Mycenaean. 

I'm still looking into this, so it's just a theory right now.

For now, we can definitely conclude that Anatolian Greeks aren't just assimilated Hittites, Phrygians, Lydians, etc, but actual ethnic Greeks.

Interesting. Lazaridis also mentioned parts of Anatolia shifting towards the Aegean in one of his tweets.

Could you also model the Hellenistic Samsun era samples?

Also, don't you think the models are a little overfitted? You aren't using any BA West Anatolian samples for the Byzantines, so they look like a mix of BA Greece, BA East Anatolia and BA Levant.

The issue is that Anatolian groups in general are way too similar to ancient aegeans. So it's not well for finding out the Mycenaean and such. Hittite is the only one that may somewhat work, but they're such a distinct group that modelling with them is not possible, or gives very bad fits. Armenia works much better funnily enough.