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Y-DNA (M): H95a
The Carni ended up in the Friulian Alps of North-East Italy and the area is termed the Carnian alps
it is also linked with the Carinthia north of the carnian alps
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carinthia
I doubt it should be in slovenia
the noric mines in slovenia was linked with the Japodes ( Illyrians )........your spot on the map looks like the japodes
Tauristic celts and Illyrian-North placings are also iffy
my thoughts
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Paternal Grandfather mother's line is I1- Z131 - A9804
Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%
BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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Y-DNA (P): S28>S139>S485>S211>S257
Y-DNA (M): I2a2a1b2a1b1>Y4925
mtDNA (M): H1bt
mtDNA (P): H37
Here are my results. Slightly closer to England Celts than Saxons.
Distance to: Mitchell_scaled
0.02120623 England_Celts
0.02168697 Saxons
0.02318211 Baiuvari
0.02496693 Picts
0.02724114 Alemanni
0.03194790 Gothones
0.03536545 Scandza
0.03575616 Longobards
0.03890268 Belgae
0.04507566 Boii
0.04553680 Cisalpine_Gauls
0.04841482 Tyrol_South:Eisacktal-Lower_G25
0.04939773 Iazyges
0.05052467 Celts
0.06017350 Alpine_Celts
0.06620827 CisalpineGaul3298k13
0.06663985 CisalpineGaul3206k13
0.07003688 Transalpine_Gauls
0.07671131 Iapodes
0.08573697 Vascones
0.08790313 Slavs
0.08906812 Pannonii
0.09111470 Etruscans
0.10548636 Illyrians
0.11668041 Baltic
Target: Mitchell_scaled
Distance: 1.3445% / 0.01344483 | ADC: 0.25x RC
47.4 Saxons
21.4 Picts
11.4 Cisalpine_Gauls
9.6 Baiuvari
6.2 Longobards
2.4 Armenians
1.2 Levant
0.4 Tyrol_South
On global 25 PCA I'm between England_Celts & Bauivari
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Ancient ~40% Anglo-Saxon, ~40% Briton/Insular Celt, ~15% German, 4% Other Euro
600 AD: 55% Anglo-Saxon (CNE), 45% Pre-Anglo-Saxon Briton (WBI)
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Their Eurogenes K13 results (thanks to Stefano)
Code: Sample3206,40.60,14.87,29.11,1.68,9.53,0.24,0.50,0.03,0,0.98,0.79,1.65,0
Sample3217,36.77,14.41,30.68,0.08,14.00,1.06,0,1.49,0,0.49,0.07,0,0.96
Sample3220,39.09,9.29,28.55,0,15.37,4.80,0,0,0,1.08,1.49,0,0.33
Sample3298,40.76,15.50,27.34,0,11.07,1.24,0.12,0,0.68,0.88,1.21,0.56,0.65
Sample3779,32.10,17.30,34.87,0,12.51,0,0,1.68,0.41,0,0.86,0.27,0
Code: Distance to: Sample3206
3.89801231 French_South
4.41629936 Spanish_Cantabria
6.22758380 Spanish_Catalonia
6.82621418 Spanish_Castile-León
6.94864015 Spanish_Galicia
6.95791635 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha
7.25931815 Spanish_Valencia
7.90710440 Portuguese
8.01021223 FRA_Gard(n=1)
8.23370512 Spanish_Aragon
Code: Distance to: Sample3217
6.65923419 Spanish_Valencia
7.28975308 Spanish_Galicia
7.60253905 Portuguese
7.60624743 Spanish_Cantabria
7.88352079 Spanish_Catalonia
7.95647535 Spanish_Castile-León
7.98466029 French_South
8.03309405 Spanish_Extremadura
8.10890868 Spanish_Andalusia
8.11687748 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha
Code: Distance to: Sample3220
4.66550104 Spanish_Murcia
4.72733540 Spanish_Extremadura
4.78893516 Spanish_Valencia
5.35789138 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha
5.46822640 Portuguese
5.54152506 Spanish_Andalusia
5.54681891 Spanish_Castile-León
6.13401989 Spanish_Galicia
6.80228638 Spanish_Aragon
7.05607540 Spanish_Catalonia
Code: Distance to: Sample3298
3.45331725 French_South
5.20977927 Spanish_Cantabria
5.49134774 Spanish_Catalonia
6.03719306 Spanish_Castile-León
6.15414494 Spanish_Galicia
6.64550976 Spanish_Valencia
6.84340558 Portuguese
6.89831864 FRA_Gard(n=1)
7.33835813 Spanish_Castilla-La_Mancha
7.92137614 Spanish_Murcia
Code: Distance to: Sample3779
13.18921529 Spanish_Galicia
13.31415412 Spanish_Cantabria
13.48731626 Spanish_Valencia
13.76903410 French_South
13.78919505 Spanish_Andalusia
13.83384256 Italian_Piedmont
13.89969424 Portuguese
13.96276477 Italian_Trentino
14.00113567 Italian_Lombardy
14.07366690 Spanish_Extremadura
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03-13-2024, 06:09 PM
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(03-10-2024, 07:39 PM)R.Rocca Wrote: I had the same problem when the files came out using SAMTOOLS.
If you're running it on Linux Ubuntu: Index the bam file with samtools ('samtools index filename.bam') and then run the bam on WGSExtract. This should work. Make sure to keep the index file (.bam.bai) and the bam in the same folder when you run the bam.
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03-13-2024, 06:47 PM
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Spoiler ___ Paper trail since 1550 : 100% South Auvergne, France ___
Distance: 1.510% : 50.0 German , 50.0 Spanish Castilla .... Distance: 1.453% : 50.4 Swiss German , 49.6 Spanish Barcelona
Distance: 1.659% : 50.2 Scottish , 49.8 French Corsica...... Distance: 1.714% : 50.8 Italian Lombardy , 49.2 French Brittany
Distance: 1.959% : 50.8 Irish , 49.2 Italian Tuscany ......... Distance: 2.189% : 50.8 Dutch , 49.2 Basque French
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If you want to compare:
Here a ethnic french (woman) from Basses-Alpes (mostly, 94%), Provençal area:
94%04BassesAlpes6%Gard,0.128446890454,0.14643596817100002,0.050327536179399994,0.018437258859999764,0.04487612929900001,0.007267012774639993,0.0022990115859999848,0.00412871612200006,0.014168730086999877,0.021325050707999928,-0.004427248554908001,0.005683112051999999,-0.013426734105999996,-0.003294282277999605,0.007530541863000048,0.0011096216029999606,-0.0018028960980001688,0.0005702859510000116,0.0019364245190000035,-0.0010191844014000064,0.0027215043320005794,-0.0012782695240000017,-0.0006908925550000149,0.00007200613299994038,0.0004227839989997123
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03-13-2024, 10:00 PM
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(03-12-2024, 04:18 PM)Ajeje Brazorf Wrote: Switzerland_EBA_2:TU905_SX18 and CHE_IA:SX18 are the same sample dated to about 82 BC. The first comes from the updated spreadsheet, the last is from the old one.
I would like to ask: is EBA for this IA/LIA sample an error in the official Eurogenes G25 file? What else then "Early Bronze Age" could it mean?
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(03-13-2024, 06:09 PM)Qrts Wrote: (03-10-2024, 07:39 PM)R.Rocca Wrote: I had the same problem when the files came out using SAMTOOLS.
If you're running it on Linux Ubuntu: Index the bam file with samtools ('samtools index filename.bam') and then run the bam on WGSExtract. This should work. Make sure to keep the index file (.bam.bai) and the bam in the same folder when you run the bam.
I am running it on Ubuntu for Windows 11 using that same command. No luck. May try again this weekend when I have time.
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Maternal: Haplogroup H4a1-T152C!, Maria Coto, b.~1864, Galicia, Spain
Mother's Paternal: Haplogroup J1+ FGC4745/FGC4766+ PF5019+, Gerardo Caprio, b.1879, Caposele, Avellino, Campania, Italy
Father's Maternal: Haplogroup T2b-C150T, Francisca Santa Cruz, b.1916, Garganchon, Burgos, Spain
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(03-14-2024, 01:47 PM)R.Rocca Wrote: (03-13-2024, 06:09 PM)Qrts Wrote: (03-10-2024, 07:39 PM)R.Rocca Wrote: I had the same problem when the files came out using SAMTOOLS.
If you're running it on Linux Ubuntu: Index the bam file with samtools ('samtools index filename.bam') and then run the bam on WGSExtract. This should work. Make sure to keep the index file (.bam.bai) and the bam in the same folder when you run the bam.
I am running it on Ubuntu for Windows 11 using that same command. No luck. May try again this weekend when I have time.
The bams need to be sorted first.
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Here's the dataset.
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1...sp=sharing
Code: SampleName TotalSites NonMissingCalls
3196 1233013 1141372
3206 1233013 999051
3210 1233013 1032334
3210 1233013 32361
3212 1233013 8918
3214 1233013 1174849
3217 1233013 1113396
3220 1233013 1192054
3225 1233013 1009158
3227 1233013 1133132
3232 1233013 52617
3265 1233013 1049615
3267 1233013 1135943
3267 1233013 1128329
3287 1233013 71983
3298 1233013 1192612
3308 1233013 925172
3779 1233013 294922
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mtDNA (M): K1a
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03-15-2024, 04:01 AM
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3220 applied to Cheshire's Iron Age list. I share Y-dna subclade Z48 (tmrca 1650 BCE) with him.
Seems to fit with "Rhaetic"
Distance to: CisalpineGaul3220
0.02008142 Etruscan
0.02115092 Illyrian_North
0.02248662 Celt_Carni
0.02351451 Latino-Faliscan
0.02432102 Illyrian_Liburnian-Dalmatae
0.02920447 Celt_Taurisci
0.02966250 Illyrian
0.03621699 Daunian
0.03705291 Celto-Ligurian
0.03864040 Iberian
0.04016357 Celt_Southern_Gaul
0.04039789 Paeonian-Macedonian
0.04075483 Illyrian_South
0.04168180 Celtiberian
0.04490199 Celt_Gaulish
0.04642021 Vascones_placeholder
0.04791742 Getae
0.04916777 Celt_Central_Europe_Gaulish
0.05343685 Tartessian
0.05464652 Celt_Northern_Gaul
0.05970933 Celt_Boii
0.06428257 Celt_Belgae
0.07071222 Thracian
0.07380307 Celt_Brythonic_Southwest
0.07522989 Celt_Brythonic_West-to-South
Too little and too early to say what the implications are for my Y-dna (Z48, in this case) but interesting nonetheless.
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(03-15-2024, 04:01 AM)Manofthehour Wrote: 3220 applied to Cheshire's Iron Age list. I share Y-dna subclade Z48 (tmrca 1650 BCE) with him.
Seems to fit with "Rhaetic"
Distance to: CisalpineGaul3220
0.02008142 Etruscan
0.02115092 Illyrian_North
0.02248662 Celt_Carni
0.02351451 Latino-Faliscan
0.02432102 Illyrian_Liburnian-Dalmatae
0.02920447 Celt_Taurisci
0.02966250 Illyrian
0.03621699 Daunian
0.03705291 Celto-Ligurian
0.03864040 Iberian
0.04016357 Celt_Southern_Gaul
0.04039789 Paeonian-Macedonian
0.04075483 Illyrian_South
0.04168180 Celtiberian
0.04490199 Celt_Gaulish
0.04642021 Vascones_placeholder
0.04791742 Getae
0.04916777 Celt_Central_Europe_Gaulish
0.05343685 Tartessian
0.05464652 Celt_Northern_Gaul
0.05970933 Celt_Boii
0.06428257 Celt_Belgae
0.07071222 Thracian
0.07380307 Celt_Brythonic_Southwest
0.07522989 Celt_Brythonic_West-to-South
Too little and too early to say what the implications are for my Y-dna (Z48, in this case) but interesting nonetheless.
Do you have a link to Cheshire's Iron Age List? Thanks.
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(03-15-2024, 06:09 PM)Cascio Wrote: Do you have a link to Cheshire's Iron Age List? Thanks.
Here in this thread, the first post: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=635
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(03-15-2024, 04:01 AM)Manofthehour Wrote: 3220 applied to Cheshire's Iron Age list. I share Y-dna subclade Z48 (tmrca 1650 BCE) with him.
Seems to fit with "Rhaetic"
Distance to: CisalpineGaul3220
0.02008142 Etruscan
0.02115092 Illyrian_North
0.02248662 Celt_Carni
0.02351451 Latino-Faliscan
0.02432102 Illyrian_Liburnian-Dalmatae
0.02920447 Celt_Taurisci
0.02966250 Illyrian
0.03621699 Daunian
0.03705291 Celto-Ligurian
0.03864040 Iberian
0.04016357 Celt_Southern_Gaul
0.04039789 Paeonian-Macedonian
0.04075483 Illyrian_South
0.04168180 Celtiberian
0.04490199 Celt_Gaulish
0.04642021 Vascones_placeholder
0.04791742 Getae
0.04916777 Celt_Central_Europe_Gaulish
0.05343685 Tartessian
0.05464652 Celt_Northern_Gaul
0.05970933 Celt_Boii
0.06428257 Celt_Belgae
0.07071222 Thracian
0.07380307 Celt_Brythonic_Southwest
0.07522989 Celt_Brythonic_West-to-South
Too little and too early to say what the implications are for my Y-dna (Z48, in this case) but interesting nonetheless.
Though running 3220 through "Single" I wonder if this suggests perhaps instead a mixed individual, with recent admixture from both Northern Gaul and perhaps other Mediterrannean populations? Compare with the other Vescovile sample above it.
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I won't trust too much the individual composition, keep in mind that its coordinates are simulated and also G25 tend to decompose the samples using north and south extremes with such an overfit model.
Of course it is clear that it has a southern shift.
Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: CisalpineGaul3220
B: CisalpineGaulAverage
C: ↴
-0.02329120 Greek_Classical
-0.02307436 Punic
-0.02270972 Sicanian
-0.02172265 Egyptian_Ptolemaic
-0.02165930 Greek_Classical_Anatolia
-0.02152691 Thracian
-0.02130966 Phoenician
-0.01968545 Etruscan
-0.01916032 Daunian
-0.01913317 Phrygian
-0.01855961 Latino-Faliscan
-0.01767822 Assyrian
-0.01760089 Nuragic
-0.01591339 Getae
-0.01522850 Paeonian-Macedonian
-0.01464800 Berber
-0.01327778 Armenian
-0.01166300 Illyrian_South
-0.01042639 Illyrian
-0.00866360 Illyrian_Liburnian-Dalmatae
-0.00576562 Tartessian
-0.00505150 Illyrian_North
-0.00415000 Caucasus
Plausible models
Target: CisalpineGaul3220
Distance: 0.0118% / 0.01176849
50.9 CisalpineGaulAverage
38.0 Etruscan
11.1 Greek_Classical
Target: CisalpineGaul3220
Distance: 0.0096% / 0.00956912
51.4 CisalpineGaulAverage
34.0 Etruscan
10.7 Punic
3.9 Greek_Classical
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