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Late Iron Age necropolis of Seminario Vescovile in Verona (Northern Italy, 3rd-1st).
#16
For Moeca and ChrisR interested in the samples used for comparison:it's just the Ph2ter turn of era calculator, or an old version of it.

Alemanni,0.130137667,0.130326,0.064236333,0.053187333,0.037032667,0.016268667,0.007363333,0.005230667,-0.001227,0.002308667,-0.004005333,0.009690333,-0.017344,-0.009725,0.023796333,0.014319667,0.003172667,0.004011667,0.003855,0.004918,0.005864667,0.004493,-0.002999,0.014058,-0.001277333
Anatolia,0.110218417,0.150383028,-0.037722472,-0.070306333,-0.000701028,-0.0221795,0.001834278,-0.006653472,-0.008726333,0.021407472,0.003428,0.004891639,-0.006516444,0.001418194,-0.015834139,-0.003329361,0.004896694,0.000974806,0.00575775,-0.007611361,-0.003275472,0.001154194,0.000876444,0.001174833,0.001716083
Armenians,0.104097517,0.135217767,-0.0542425,-0.047617378,-0.032554667,-0.013079867,0.004115178,-0.005262461,-0.0357723,-0.009644228,0.003024033,0.001605295,-0.006033089,0.002338089,-0.000845917,-0.005547345,-0.003213322,0.001292283,0.001502278,-0.002760983,0.003855778,0.00088405,-0.000336172,-0.004253411,0.002482683
Baiuvari,0.1243515,0.128972125,0.06434625,0.049782375,0.0417385,0.02297375,0.00966475,0.00374975,0.00278675,-0.003303,-0.003227625,0,-0.00971875,-0.0038535,0.01733825,0.000331625,-0.012761125,0.00300875,0.0021525,0.003283,0.00705,0.00431225,-0.003743875,0.010573625,-0.00073325
Balti,0.132043918,0.120544444,0.097550473,0.102543463,0.048801048,0.038800545,0.012915138,0.017521873,-0.000593476,-0.043655217,-0.000261645,-0.016899711,0.030274497,0.032689764,-0.011037524,0.002979389,0.004000378,-0.000575799,0.00186218,0.007343175,0.000487246,-0.00474983,0.007427439,-0.017160376,0.000298685
North_Caucasus,0.11097775,0.11577025,-0.03224375,-0.01203175,-0.03015925,0.00474075,0.004465,-0.004269,-0.05399425,-0.03098025,0.0012585,0.00543275,-0.0206265,-0.0011355,0.00946675,-0.01014325,0.0086705,-0.004719,-0.012821,0.00947325,0.00567725,-0.00207125,0.00030825,-0.005091,-0.00544875
Cisalpine_Gauls,0.12862,0.144035834,0.053362334,0.025947667,0.044572334,0.009575167,0.003995,0.005731,0.0182365,0.014426834,-0.0040055,-0.001024167,-0.014816834,-0.006720334,0.006016667,-0.0000885,-0.009279,-0.000464834,0.005384167,-0.002251167,0.0007695,-0.003483167,-0.004457667,0.000321334,0.00946
Boii,0.129426375,0.142681979,0.056968771,0.031802042,0.047092063,0.010684917,0.002976667,0.006961188,0.01133825,0.015213,-0.002560979,0.003206604,-0.005339292,-0.003578063,0.002259188,0.003938875,-0.000877292,0.001061,0.000141625,0.000143354,0.007110042,0.001535459,-0.005212146,-0.007192313,0.000918084
Alpine_Celts,0.128079234,0.145377825,0.04804996,0.013816556,0.042029781,0.003452051,0.001617583,0.002178019,0.014000996,0.022691752,-0.001857152,0.004671001,-0.012021662,-0.004846512,-0.001174837,0.000554293,0.001503888,0.001763401,0.006568249,-0.001386281,-0.000636732,0.003214477,-0.00092223,-0.002735483,-0.001124706
England_Celts,0.130273106,0.135225473,0.060421199,0.047251502,0.039543279,0.016626466,0.003080586,0.004091906,0.006853327,0.006795371,-0.00498898,0.006049117,-0.014080909,-0.014616783,0.021014373,0.006547673,-0.005748458,0.001696618,0.001700584,0.004117601,0.004945175,0.00367836,-0.002315375,0.004992722,-0.000148717
Saxons,0.13516475,0.13227275,0.062979,0.05805925,0.041777,0.02098625,0.007579,0.00848025,0.00403925,-0.00241475,-0.00535875,0.003522,-0.0081765,-0.0136245,0.0211725,0.01478375,-0.000326,0.00120375,0.00637925,0.0061905,0.00636375,0.00398775,-0.0028345,0.01581525,-0.003203
Etruscans,0.126091123,0.15498181,0.040261985,-0.007230893,0.04935263,-0.006649787,6.50166E-05,0.000306177,0.02013433,0.039619095,-0.000988423,0.010325913,-0.019477053,-0.009378655,-0.001267138,-0.000992813,0.004898502,0.00114517,0.004057,-0.003321587,0.00188082,0.005054705,-0.00447769,-0.00588692,-0.000324757
Finns,0.113254125,0.015105875,0.098193,0.082647625,0.00269275,0.0172565,0.0052875,0.0170765,0.000102125,-0.03264325,0.022572125,-0.007511875,0.023395625,-8.5875E-05,-0.008855625,0.00203825,0.002656625,-0.001187625,-0.006850375,0.000985,0.00959225,-0.003570625,-0.0002775,-0.004081625,-0.000449125
Celts,0.127296582,0.139152546,0.050639756,0.018573724,0.041589883,0.00622057,0.0008786,0.002096498,0.014268241,0.020916135,-0.002565222,0.00659871,-0.015462352,-0.011253779,0.009753415,0.000891523,-0.000113324,0.001919082,0.001678186,-0.00296651,0.005541108,0.002351998,-0.004048254,-0.001328072,0.000326025
Colchians,0.106994,0.131003,-0.065242,-0.029716,-0.047393,-0.000558,0.004465,-0.005307,-0.06463,-0.027335,-0.001624,0.012739,-0.026908,0.00812,0.003257,-0.032617,0.005867,-0.013682,-0.005154,0.016133,0.013601,0.004081,0.004314,-0.016147,-0.007784
Gothones,0.133784296,0.127524092,0.074648815,0.061268315,0.044532518,0.022626167,0.008630019,0.009674778,0.004768407,-0.011538296,-0.006967685,0.0015125,-0.00397263,-0.004543852,0.020284963,0.010668537,-0.005905963,0.005128574,0.002462889,0.006808926,0.012041259,0.000840278,-0.000303648,0.013819204,0.000223815
Magna_Graecia,0.118220163,0.1593929,-0.007403256,-0.063882945,0.025528543,-0.025799843,-0.000777088,-0.005421536,0.007972798,0.043456274,0.001947758,0.010927288,-0.017463208,-0.000868788,-0.01909211,-0.008257288,0.01082454,0.000980068,0.005709474,-0.007893687,-0.006261688,0.001738931,-0.001666716,0.00394124,-0.005828807
Roman_Greeks,0.106709014,0.145742569,-0.027697417,-0.060925875,0.000666764,-0.023779417,-0.000816083,-0.004842833,-0.006843111,0.013697986,0.007228403,0.003553139,-0.002019292,-0.000795153,-0.011984819,0.004051583,0.015138986,-0.002715056,0.00456525,-0.003732778,-0.003994639,-0.001006306,-0.000474042,0.000649153,-0.001615111
Iapodes,0.12387725,0.14945175,0.036549417,-0.000834417,0.037237417,-0.001417667,0.000842084,0.000134584,0.008845584,0.026211667,-0.003734917,0.008667417,-0.01466775,-0.009851667,-0.00478425,0.00104975,0.008985584,-0.000443417,0.005562334,-0.001156917,-0.002776167,0.0066875,-0.001900167,0.003896167,-0.004221167
Iazyges,0.123583367,0.123699775,0.0427751,0.02388585,0.022701533,0.007846233,0.001472667,0.003682733,-0.001734892,0.002393417,-0.002395158,0.002068167,-0.005491775,-0.005419975,0.00171795,0.004030708,0.0090726,-0.0005333,0.004931667,0.000256333,-0.004069867,0.000474975,0.001465667,0.0054324,-0.001553775
Illyrians,0.119982133,0.154038895,0.018265072,-0.023747678,0.0275247,-0.00926235,0.00064625,-0.001743539,0.007262889,0.026956822,-0.000596395,0.006087222,-0.014376278,-0.001426817,-0.009355611,-0.010041389,-0.000475228,0.001698956,0.006645972,-0.010340278,-0.005476461,0.003968556,-0.001020939,0.001612628,-0.003282361
Romans,0.110136205,0.150974731,-0.003562824,-0.039841636,0.016649021,-0.016763811,-0.000853533,-0.003232506,0.00443109,0.023761571,0.003087698,0.003528126,-0.009103155,-0.002666915,-0.00664628,-0.002004187,0.001781206,6.99712E-05,0.002798048,-0.003543258,-0.000907352,0.003441471,-0.000204146,-0.000888575,0.000794903
Longobards,0.136588,0.135065,0.065619,0.057817,0.047393,0.017291,0.015276,0.011538,-0.007158,-0.006014,-0.003735,0.002847,0.00669,-0.002202,0.025651,0.009812,-0.014733,-0.000507,0.006159,0.004877,0.008984,-0.002349,0.000246,0.021087,0.003592
Mauretania,-0.049702833,0.138845389,-0.002283778,-0.073608111,0.029646333,-0.040283889,-0.028619222,0.007999778,0.075537333,0.028925056,0.006540722,-0.007227056,0.019788278,-0.014870889,0.020071333,-0.015903278,0.002832,-0.020967111,-0.048072556,0.007385556,-0.011722389,-0.039356,0.021383444,-0.008086611,0.008980944
Mesopotamia,0.0902619,0.1369948,-0.0655814,-0.0789412,-0.0229579,-0.0221437,0.0003525,-0.0056997,-0.0152983,-0.0014762,0.0044493,-0.0032823,0.008191,0.004528,-0.0042483,0.0011668,-0.0046417,0.0054097,0.0026395,-0.0035765,0.0008734,0.0056016,-0.0073456,-0.0080128,0.0028259
Transalpine_Gauls,0.127481533,0.1432573,0.058088933,0.015041033,0.053599733,-0.000520467,7.05E-05,0.000254,0.025408667,0.038670267,-0.003426467,0.0089523,-0.015995833,-0.009028033,0.0103779,0.005069233,-0.0015254,0.001452567,-0.0003268,0.000808667,0.005149167,0.0040807,-0.006199433,-0.004249433,-0.002826233
Belgae,0.12806819,0.141892771,0.055634247,0.032354533,0.048511043,0.011762745,0.003506766,-0.00060529,0.012273844,0.012752732,-0.004410381,0.006990013,-0.014844965,-0.007657013,0.014453455,-0.00230226,-0.012518372,0.00653848,0.004767268,-0.000545182,0.003274983,0.001416866,-0.000156333,-0.000839848,-0.00100487
Picts,0.130706833,0.130030083,0.061942042,0.057763167,0.035262917,0.0222415,0,0.003826667,0.003562167,-0.002240042,-0.0081735,0.00676275,-0.012437917,-0.013968708,0.027206417,0.0034915,-0.015390875,-0.000643833,0.0016707,0.008024667,0.006041458,0.006399083,-0.0019,0.005377208,0.002120625
Scandza,0.124845832,0.130506326,0.078049995,0.0649672,0.044053484,0.022284847,0.003091,0.0105166,0.001255137,-0.012923389,-0.004644411,0.000381847,-0.003615432,-0.003009611,0.019696458,0.008473779,-0.009478963,0.000108626,0.001857079,0.005836863,0.010238595,0.0013733,-0.003988863,0.011021042,0.001788784
Sarmatians,0.1127986,0.052581756,0.037050211,0.068095578,-0.024640267,0.024089956,-0.0014335,-0.001102422,-0.028135533,-0.037556889,-0.001306367,-0.002029833,0.001222411,-0.020040867,0.021232789,0.009717367,-0.006940844,-0.002694167,-0.001160544,-0.001188067,-0.009825833,-0.000441,-0.001350244,0.004479867,-0.001701867
Slavs,0.12947375,0.1216095,0.08136375,0.07856975,0.034391,0.033188,0.0093415,0.0110185,-0.003937,-0.03271125,-0.0004465,-0.0115395,0.01456875,0.0237055,-0.01401325,0.0014915,0.0047915,-0.0002215,0.00172825,0.0046585,-0.00255825,-0.007079,0.01278675,-0.0141585,0.003413
Pannonii,0.1202353,0.1480726,0.024402667,-0.011523025,0.032680325,-0.007327767,0.002205083,2.8775E-05,0.005735108,0.023160708,-0.001586175,0.006489075,-0.013369658,-0.004012825,-0.003766117,-0.006525633,0.004255967,0.001235242,0.003879942,-0.007328458,-0.003584308,2.15416E-05,0.001083483,0.0034704,-0.003497692
Vascones,0.119680292,0.15300625,0.057188688,0.006803188,0.059100688,-8.70708E-05,4.40625E-05,0.005855625,0.033780396,0.042612854,-0.005078021,0.007199729,-0.024885271,-0.013750896,0.011018708,0.004124167,-1.89375E-05,0.004275708,0.001348688,-0.003149958,0.007624583,0.000886125,-0.0061675,-0.011575292,-0.002978625
Levant,0.086923017,0.14643955,-0.051734683,-0.087024275,-0.012017583,-0.030810408,-0.005563625,-0.008518817,0.006062475,0.0099349,0.0059396,-0.007890517,0.01264355,-0.000336133,-0.009058317,0.006882542,0.00071174,-0.000513092,0.001180467,4.59168E-05,0.00183215,0.005386083,-0.00539305,0.000959842,-0.001574742
Huns,0.086745263,-0.067880105,0.036660158,0.047702,-0.041643316,0.007148316,0.003450789,0.003254842,-0.017330684,-0.024237316,-0.008213368,-0.001908789,0.000962316,-0.022236947,0.014236316,0.009706895,-0.001969421,0.001867,-0.000860105,0.001652053,-0.014546684,0.001640053,-0.001135158,0.003526053,2.53158E-05
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#17
@Stefano

thanks

Here is one you might need.....

Tyrol_South:Eisacktal-Lower_G25,0.12858,0.13940,0.04267,0.01636,0.03290 ,0.00689,0.00442,0.00405,0.00237,0.01028,-0.00258,0.00529,-0.01112,-0.00422,0.00366,0.00022,0.00000,0.00144,0.00372,-0.00102,-0.00018,0.00185,0.00115,0.00782,-0.00120
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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#18
I get the typical same as usual

Used stefano data plus a few I had as well

I always hover around Pannonians , Northern-Illyrians and Liburnians

Target: Moeca_scaled
Distance: 0.0183% / 0.01834669
72.0 Illyrians_G25
14.7 Longobards_G25
10.0 Boii_G25
3.3 Gothones_G25


Distance to: Moeca_scaled
0.02098513 Liburnians_G25_scaled
0.02875907 Pannonii_G25
0.03530015 Illyrians_G25
0.03531488 Rhaetic_simulated_g25_scaled
0.03535231 Japodes_G25
0.03739945 Alpine_Celts_G25
0.03791996 Tyrol_South:Eisacktal-Lower_G25scRS
0.05488493 Iazyges_G25
0.05668781 Boii_G25
0.06249038 Romans_G25
0.09653736 Longobards_G25
0.10078680 Gothones_G25
0.12676167 ITA_Remedello_BA
0.37858301 ITA_Villabruna
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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#19
post #16 results

Distance to: Moeca_scaled
0.02875907 Pannonii
0.03530015 Illyrians
0.03535231 Iapodes
0.03739945 Alpine_Celts
0.03791996 Tyrol_South:Eisacktal-Lower_G25
0.04606796 Celts
0.04642836 Etruscans
0.04845370 Cisalpine_Gauls
0.05488493 Iazyges
0.05662195 Belgae
0.05668781 Boii
0.05924838 Transalpine_Gauls
0.06249038 Romans
0.06669614 Vascones
0.07572801 England_Celts
0.07994868 Baiuvari
0.08806394 Alemanni
0.08924906 Picts
0.08967409 Magna_Graecia
0.09210941 Saxons
0.09653736 Longobards
0.10078680 Gothones
0.10205386 Scandza
0.10235804 Roman_Greeks
0.11026032 Anatolia


Target: Moeca_scaled
Distance: 0.0153% / 0.01534632
59.4 Illyrians
22.4 Cisalpine_Gauls
12.8 Baiuvari
5.4 Balti


Distance to: Moeca_scaled
0.01655236 28.60% Baiuvari + 71.40% Illyrians
0.01770852 76.60% Illyrians + 23.40% Scandza
0.01777470 40.40% Cisalpine_Gauls + 59.60% Illyrians
0.01879575 76.00% Illyrians + 24.00% Longobards
0.01883320 23.20% Gothones + 76.80% Illyrians
0.01886769 74.60% Illyrians + 25.40% Picts
0.01890353 64.20% Illyrians + 35.80% Belgae
0.01973778 15.20% Balti + 84.80% Illyrians
0.02038655 35.20% Boii + 64.80% Illyrians
0.02053628 28.20% England_Celts + 71.80% Illyrians
0.02087097 81.60% Illyrians + 18.40% Slavs
0.02092979 52.60% Illyrians + 47.40% Tyrol_South:Eisacktal-Lower_G25
0.02106231 24.00% Saxons + 76.00% Illyrians
0.02134811 28.60% Anatolia + 71.40% Cisalpine_Gauls
0.02178209 57.60% Cisalpine_Gauls + 42.40% Romans
0.02255603 29.40% Cisalpine_Gauls + 70.60% Pannonii
0.02269342 47.60% Alpine_Celts + 52.40% Illyrians
0.02274883 24.00% Alemanni + 76.00% Illyrians
0.02287038 40.20% Celts + 59.80% Illyrians
0.02298623 53.00% Baiuvari + 47.00% Magna_Graecia
0.02328079 47.00% Romans + 53.00% Belgae
0.02338068 18.00% Baiuvari + 82.00% Pannonii
0.02353156 32.40% Anatolia + 67.60% Belgae
0.02374493 24.00% Belgae + 76.00% Pannonii
0.02404363 67.20% Cisalpine_Gauls + 32.80% Magna_Graecia
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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#20
Here are 3 other.

https://jumpshare.com/v/kzGH9Hr4bGuu8suZQn0D
CisalpineGaul3220,0.121851,0.147397,0.036243,-0.005468,0.046082,-0.007655,-0.002514,-0.001085,0.022409,0.034359,-0.002603,0.006852,-0.012408,-0.006548,0.00096,0.00044,0.0002,0.000867,0.002222,-0.00329,-0.000971,0.000781,-0.001263,-0.001414,-0.001681

i simulated these two from K13, because when using the other tool they came out really noisy, one with no WHG and 3% east asian, however on k13 they appeared normal. It will be nice if someone run their raw data with k36 and makes another sim to compare.


https://jumpshare.com/v/Wr8Ve0L85PZDEiIVQBvj
https://jumpshare.com/v/fds6uvgVouWeieGICPpL

CisalpineGaul3298k13,0.132672,0.151932,0.057272,0.010298,0.048984,0.003025,-0.002816,0.004718,0.023170,0.029306,-0.003304,0.005860,-0.011525,-0.007824,0.006009,-0.001891,-0.001865,-0.001254,-0.002743,-0.000675,0.001554,-0.001518,-0.000598,-0.001270,0.000460
CisalpineGaul3206k13,0.130691,0.154574,0.056796,0.011439,0.049606,0.004264,-0.002919,0.002524,0.021473,0.029220,-0.004325,0.007630,-0.014948,-0.008556,0.006676,-0.002547,-0.000894,-0.001459,-0.003175,-0.002091,0.001109,-0.002174,-0.000474,-0.002486,0.000645
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(03-11-2024, 09:51 PM)Stefano Wrote: For Moeca and ChrisR interested in the samples used for comparison:it's just the Ph2ter turn of era calculator, or an old version of it.

Thank you. I see it is online at exploreyourdna "The turn of the era" calculator for fun (for the Europeans) - Ph2ter G25 Scaled

So I need to dive deep into IA + Antiquity Eurogenes G25 results to figure out which samples might build the labels used. And in case ask Ph2ter. It is surely one of the interesting eras and so calculators.
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Could you directly post the Eurogenes K13 from these samples, without G25?
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Thanks again Stefano. I included those in a more expanded "Alpine area of interest" PCA.
First Conclusions:
- 3206 & 3298 are typical "BB-Hallstatt-LaTene-Noric-Gaul_C-BA-IA_Balkans2Iberia" so fit the admixture of other results with this affiliation
- 3220, LQ (could you share the ID Stefano?) & 3217 are more shifted in the direction of Mediterranean Cultures, so Urban settlements along the Med. Coast all the way to Phoenicia so likely influence from Adriatic sea trade people and settlements.
- 3217 in addition has a shift "to the Steppe", maybe he is similar to a late IE Southern Alpine Taurisci/Norici or Veneti/Carni or had influence from other Eastern Yamna heavy populations?
I added the most likely core area of early Rhaetian admixture between Etruscans/Romans and the BB-Hallstatt-LaTene-Noric-Gaul areas; with a (big) question mark hopefully verifiable with publications in the next years.

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(03-11-2024, 09:12 PM)cheshire Wrote: Taurisci: AUT_IA/La_Tene + HUN_IA/La_Tene_West
Carni: SVN_IA
Thanks! The maps posted look almost like those from Ph2ter, are you cheshire him?


(03-11-2024, 09:38 PM)cheshire Wrote: Northern_Italy_IA?
Code:
Northern_Italy_IA?:DEU_Roman:FN_2__AD_300__Cov_91.96%,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.000323,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,0.0005,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Northern_Italy_IA?:CHE_IA:SX18__BC_82__Cov_52.40%,0.125205,0.153345,0.050534,-0.003876,0.049548,-0.005578,0.0047,-0.002077,0.014726,0.033896,0.001786,0.016335,-0.016353,-0.008945,0.001764,-0.001591,0.009518,0.001647,0.002514,-0.006128,0.005241,0.005688,-0.012078,-0.004338,0.000958
Northern_Italy_IA?:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009__BC_100__Cov_22.26%,0.135449,0.151314,0.047517,-0.001292,0.045547,0.004741,0.005875,-0.002077,0.010226,0.026424,0.003248,0.004646,-0.015461,-0.008945,0,-0.005304,0.013038,-0.0019,0.008673,-0.002001,0.003743,-0.003462,0.003821,-0.000602,-0.004071

[Image: image.png?ex=6601ed62&is=65ef7862&hm=06b...80b2c07eb&]

Interesting.
I looked in Global25_PCA_scaled.txt and could only find:
Switzerland_EBA_2:TU905_SX18 seems not the same as CHE_IA:SX18__BC_82__Cov_52.40% but could he be mislabeled as EBA (=EarlyBronze Age)?
  in Furtwaengler et al 2020 I find: Switzerland_Roman, Roman period Switzerland, Switzerland_EBA_2
Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan:CSN009 this one seems like the same above under ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole
could not find references to DEU_Roman:FN_2
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Switzerland_EBA_2:TU905_SX18 and CHE_IA:SX18 are the same sample dated to about 82 BC. The first comes from the updated spreadsheet, the last is from the old one.
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(03-12-2024, 04:10 PM)ChrisR Wrote:
(03-11-2024, 09:12 PM)cheshire Wrote: Taurisci: AUT_IA/La_Tene + HUN_IA/La_Tene_West
Carni: SVN_IA
Thanks! The maps posted look almost like those from Ph2ter, are you cheshire him?


(03-11-2024, 09:38 PM)cheshire Wrote: Northern_Italy_IA?
Code:
Northern_Italy_IA?:DEU_Roman:FN_2__AD_300__Cov_91.96%,0.117238,0.151314,0.045254,0.000323,0.052317,0.001952,0.0047,-0.006,0.01943,0.028064,-0.002436,0.004946,-0.017393,-0.013212,-0.004614,0.00411,0.009388,0.006334,-0.000377,0.0005,0.000624,0.001484,-0.000616,-0.00735,-0.001796
Northern_Italy_IA?:CHE_IA:SX18__BC_82__Cov_52.40%,0.125205,0.153345,0.050534,-0.003876,0.049548,-0.005578,0.0047,-0.002077,0.014726,0.033896,0.001786,0.016335,-0.016353,-0.008945,0.001764,-0.001591,0.009518,0.001647,0.002514,-0.006128,0.005241,0.005688,-0.012078,-0.004338,0.000958
Northern_Italy_IA?:ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole:CSN009__BC_100__Cov_22.26%,0.135449,0.151314,0.047517,-0.001292,0.045547,0.004741,0.005875,-0.002077,0.010226,0.026424,0.003248,0.004646,-0.015461,-0.008945,0,-0.005304,0.013038,-0.0019,0.008673,-0.002001,0.003743,-0.003462,0.003821,-0.000602,-0.004071

[Image: image.png?ex=6601ed62&is=65ef7862&hm=06b...80b2c07eb&]

Interesting.
I looked in Global25_PCA_scaled.txt and could only find:
Switzerland_EBA_2:TU905_SX18 seems not the same as CHE_IA:SX18__BC_82__Cov_52.40% but could he be mislabeled as EBA (=EarlyBronze Age)?
  in Furtwaengler et al 2020 I find: Switzerland_Roman, Roman period Switzerland, Switzerland_EBA_2
Italy_Tuscany_Grosseto_Etruscan:CSN009 this one seems like the same above under ITA_Etruscan_Casenovole
could not find references to DEU_Roman:FN_2

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(03-12-2024, 12:40 PM)Stefano Wrote: Here are 3 other.

https://jumpshare.com/v/kzGH9Hr4bGuu8suZQn0D
CisalpineGaul3220,0.121851,0.147397,0.036243,-0.005468,0.046082,-0.007655,-0.002514,-0.001085,0.022409,0.034359,-0.002603,0.006852,-0.012408,-0.006548,0.00096,0.00044,0.0002,0.000867,0.002222,-0.00329,-0.000971,0.000781,-0.001263,-0.001414,-0.001681

i simulated these two from K13, because when using the other tool they came out really noisy, one with no WHG and 3% east asian, however on k13 they appeared normal. It will be nice if someone run their raw data with k36 and makes another sim to compare.


https://jumpshare.com/v/Wr8Ve0L85PZDEiIVQBvj
https://jumpshare.com/v/fds6uvgVouWeieGICPpL

CisalpineGaul3298k13,0.132672,0.151932,0.057272,0.010298,0.048984,0.003025,-0.002816,0.004718,0.023170,0.029306,-0.003304,0.005860,-0.011525,-0.007824,0.006009,-0.001891,-0.001865,-0.001254,-0.002743,-0.000675,0.001554,-0.001518,-0.000598,-0.001270,0.000460
CisalpineGaul3206k13,0.130691,0.154574,0.056796,0.011439,0.049606,0.004264,-0.002919,0.002524,0.021473,0.029220,-0.004325,0.007630,-0.014948,-0.008556,0.006676,-0.002547,-0.000894,-0.001459,-0.003175,-0.002091,0.001109,-0.002174,-0.000474,-0.002486,0.000645

Great work Stefano

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Iron Age-ish PCA

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The way I pictured Northern Italy IA is very close to most "cenomani" samples so far Big Grin
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[Image: image.png?ex=6603102e&is=65f09b2e&hm=fa7...430e2efd7&]

Source: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=635
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@ChrisR the first sample is 3779

@Ajeje
Sorry i have not kept the k13, and it is really tedious to copy by hand the values, however you can download the raw data i shared and run them with admixture studio (it is free).
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(03-12-2024, 06:13 PM)cheshire Wrote: [Image: image.png?ex=6603102e&is=65f09b2e&hm=fa7...430e2efd7&]

Source: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=635

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