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T- L131 Branch, also known as T1a2
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#1
03-05-2024, 07:55 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2024, 07:58 PM by Moeca.)
my line ................the samples are all "ancient " italians under the T-L131 branch

The bottom marker is my marker

Just above my marker is the Erspamer family line from 1735
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

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03-05-2024, 08:06 PM (This post was last modified: 03-05-2024, 08:08 PM by Moeca.)
Erspamer sample ERS256892 matches myself in 39 assumed SNP or which 21 are confirmed SNP.

I7218 and I7224 are ancient sicilians from Himera

CL23 is an ancient Lombard sample

ERS256891 is Baldassare Erspamer b.1648 from Bolzano Italy who married Anna Cordin

still checking on NA20758, and ERR3555042

my non-Italians matches are from Walloon Belgium, Grand Est France, Saarland Germany, Cornwall England and south Ireland

A polish match has family buried in Stettin Poland and has origins from Thuringia Germany
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

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#3
03-28-2024, 10:11 PM
Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

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#4
04-22-2024, 08:14 PM
(03-28-2024, 10:11 PM)Moeca Wrote: Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28

updated

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map/anc...6.30/36.30
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

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#5
04-22-2024, 08:49 PM
There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG

Quote:Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473

Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#6
04-22-2024, 08:52 PM
(04-22-2024, 08:49 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG

Quote:Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473

Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455

Do they match this below

Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )

KEB.6 ( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
Y-DNA: T1a1a-L162 (x T1a1a2b-BY154181, T1a1a1a1-Y4119, T1a1a1a2a1a-BY28257, T1a1a1a2b1a-Y12642, T1a1a1b1a-Y18956)
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Genome-Wide Coverage: 0.14X
Wisc reads: 169,242,780
Other IDs: Library AEH161 / Museum KEB93.94 d2
Sample: Teeth
Autosomal Notes: Iberian origin.
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

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#7
04-22-2024, 08:53 PM
(04-22-2024, 08:52 PM)Moeca Wrote:
(04-22-2024, 08:49 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: There new samples from Morocco back a 4300-4600 B.C from Skhirat belong a Haplogroup T-L208 <Y37800 ( Im not sure about subclade i forget it ) this sample has ancestry Natufian and some ancestry North African ( Taforalt )

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.6758% / 0.03675799
58.0 Levant_PPNB
28.2 MAR_Taforalt
9.4 WHG
4.4 Dinka

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown
Distance: 2.9975% / 0.02997477
74.2 Levant_PPNB
23.0 MAR_Taforalt
2.2 WHG
0.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara

Target: Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown
Distance: 3.5702% / 0.03570189
69.6 Levant_PPNB
29.4 MAR_Taforalt
0.8 Dinka
0.2 WHG

Quote:Morocco_MNConfusedkh002__BC_4665__Cov_unknown,-0.007968,0.149283,-0.036204,-0.122095,0.032929,-0.052153,-0.033136,-0.009923,0.115965,0.011299,0.010718,-0.024878,0.049207,-0.011698,0.015336,-0.000796,0.002086,-0.022297,-0.037709,0.017759,-0.009109,-0.034994,0.013311,-0.008073,0.003473

Morocco_MNConfusedkh001__BC_4405__Cov_unknown,0.018212,0.149283,-0.026776,-0.118542,0.033852,-0.063587,-0.027966,-0.003923,0.101239,0.013303,0.015752,-0.025477,0.044747,-0.018029,0.015744,0.006629,0.009909,-0.019383,-0.032556,0.029639,-0.004492,-0.01793,0.016145,-0.00723,-0.002994
Morocco_MNConfusedkh003__BC_4290__Cov_unknown,-0.026179,0.138112,-0.005657,-0.094962,0.050163,-0.051037,-0.019506,0.008307,0.103489,0.00164,0.00406,-0.014687,0.050842,-0.013762,0.013979,-0.001326,-0.003781,-0.024958,-0.039721,0.038393,-0.005366,-0.028069,0.012571,-0.025546,-0.00455

Do they match this below

Kehf-el-Baroud ( 4950 yBP - Late Neolithic )

KEB.6 ( 4940 ± 30 yBP ) other: 5565 ± 65 yBP
Y-DNA: T1a1a-L162 (x T1a1a2b-BY154181, T1a1a1a1-Y4119, T1a1a1a2a1a-BY28257, T1a1a1a2b1a-Y12642, T1a1a1b1a-Y18956)
mtDNA: K1a4a1
Genome-Wide Coverage: 0.14X
Wisc reads: 169,242,780
Other IDs: Library AEH161 / Museum KEB93.94 d2
Sample: Teeth
Autosomal Notes: Iberian origin.
Files: FASTQ / FASTQ&BAM (galaxy) / BAM (FASTQ=>mapped-BAM)

No its new samples not sample KEB
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#8
04-22-2024, 08:54 PM
KEB its Iberian ancestry but SKH its Near Eastern Ancestry
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#9
04-22-2024, 09:01 PM
(04-22-2024, 08:14 PM)Moeca Wrote:
(03-28-2024, 10:11 PM)Moeca Wrote: Oldest T ydna samples found ...............for sure I missed many

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/map/hap...6.77/38.28

updated

https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/es/map/anc...6.30/36.30

All samples are T1a1 branch ( T-L162 )
except
the North Caucasus which is T1a3 branch ...these are now usually found around the persian gulf from about 1500 years ago

and
the T1a2 branch ( T-L131) my branch is only the 2 viking samples and the north-italian sample in Lombardy
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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#10
04-22-2024, 09:05 PM
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06166-6
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#11
04-22-2024, 09:19 PM
there too samples from Island Canary (People Amazigh Guanches)
This samples of Guanches belong of Hg T-M184
CAN08 : T-M184
CAN011 : T-M184
CAN013 : T-M184
CAN049 : T-M70
CAN050 : T-M70
CAN052 : T-M70
North African ancestry
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-023-40198-w
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#12
04-22-2024, 09:41 PM (This post was last modified: 04-22-2024, 09:42 PM by Moeca.)
I only have map from GeneticHomeland ( who seem to be closed now ) for my branch

strange that I have no slavic regardless of test
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Maternal side yDna branch is   R1b - S8172
Paternal Grandfather mother's line is    I1- Z131 - A9804

Veneto 75.8%, Austria 5%, Saarland 3.4%, Friuli 3.2%, Trentino 2.6%, Donau Schwaben 1%, Marche 0.8%

BC Ancient Sites I am connected to, Wels Austria, Sipar Istria and Gissa Dalmatia
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