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mtDNA (M): B2g1
mtDNA (P): Unknown
Country: 
01-25-2024, 06:42 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-25-2024, 10:27 AM by Jalisciense.)
Using the same references and populations: 3 iberians IA, 2 Romans (Central/South Italian and Greek shifted) and 1 North African.
Note: The qpAdm results were made by the user eupator (TA and Eupedia user), I just sent him the target and left populations.
qpAdm
*Pass
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Iberian_IA 0.726 0.103 7.05
2 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Roman 0.217 0.131 1.66
3 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG North_African.DG 0.0563 0.0347 1.63
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 13.6 9.19e- 2 2 0.726 0.217 0.0563 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Iberian_IA 0.467 0.0916 5.10
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Roman 0.206 0.114 1.81
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG North_African.DG 0.328 0.0302 10.8
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 10.4 2.35e- 1 2 0.467 0.206 0.328 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.503 0.0709 7.09
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.397 0.0898 4.42
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.0996 0.0236 4.23
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 28.3 4.28e- 4 2 0.503 0.397 0.0996 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Code: [/color] > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.403 0.0690 5.84
2 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.395 0.0843 4.69
3 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.202 0.0226 8.95
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 15.7 4.67e- 2 2 0.403 0.395 0.202 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Global25/G25
Scaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 2.0861% / 0.02086144
88.0 Iberian_IA
8.0 Roman
4.0 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 2.3469% / 0.02346904
47.6 Iberian_IA
29.8 North_African
22.6 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.5184% / 0.01518409
67.0 Iberian_IA
19.6 Roman
13.4 North_African
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.3043% / 0.01304294
45.8 Iberian_IA
34.2 Roman
20.0 North_African
Unscaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 1.2275% / 0.01227499
90.0 Iberian_IA
5.8 Roman
4.2 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 1.3346% / 0.01334606
48.0 Iberian_IA
34.8 North_African
17.2 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.8682% / 0.00868199
66.2 Iberian_IA
20.4 North_African
13.4 Roman
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.6554% / 0.00655364
45.0 Iberian_IA
28.8 Roman
26.2 North_African
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
Posts: 211
Threads: 18
Joined: Oct 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Mestizo
Nationality: Mexican
Y-DNA (P): E1b-L19 -> M183 -> PF2546
Y-DNA (M): E1b-L19 -> M183 -> PF2546
mtDNA (M): B2g1
mtDNA (P): Unknown
Country:
Global25/G25
R+nMonte3
Unscaled
*Using the standard penalty
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.0805"
Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Iberian IA,88.8
Roman,9.6
North African,1.6
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=1.2432"
Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Iberian IA,41.8
North African,33.4
Roman,24.8
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.7115"
Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Iberian IA,67.6
Roman,17.8
North African,14.6
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.5698"
Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Roman,39
Iberian IA,38.8
North African,22.2
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
Posts: 211
Threads: 18
Joined: Oct 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Mestizo
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Y-DNA (P): E1b-L19 -> M183 -> PF2546
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mtDNA (M): B2g1
mtDNA (P): Unknown
Country:
02-07-2024, 07:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-07-2024, 07:11 PM by Jalisciense.)
Global25/G25
R+nMonte3
Unscaled
*Now using pen=0
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.8676"
Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Iberian IA,78.6
Roman,21.4
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.9495"
Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Iberian IA,41.6
North African,32.8
Roman,25.6
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.4475"
Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Iberian IA,65.8
North African,17.6
Roman,16.6
[1] "penalty= 0"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=0.2715"
Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Iberian IA,45.8
Roman,29.8
North African,24.4
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
Posts: 22
Threads: 3
Joined: Apr 2024
Great thread I only have 2 questions
1 ¿ What are roman samples ?
2 ¿ Can the models be used for modern Portuguese ?
Posts: 22
Threads: 3
Joined: Apr 2024
(01-25-2024, 06:42 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: Using the same references and populations: 3 iberians IA, 2 Romans (Central/South Italian and Greek shifted) and 1 North African.
Note: The qpAdm results were made by the user eupator (TA and Eupedia user), I just sent him the target and left populations.
qpAdm
*Pass
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Iberian_IA 0.726 0.103 7.05
2 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Roman 0.217 0.131 1.66
3 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG North_African.DG 0.0563 0.0347 1.63
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 13.6 9.19e- 2 2 0.726 0.217 0.0563 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Pass
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Iberian_IA 0.467 0.0916 5.10
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Roman 0.206 0.114 1.81
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG North_African.DG 0.328 0.0302 10.8
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 10.4 2.35e- 1 2 0.467 0.206 0.328 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Fail
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.503 0.0709 7.09
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.397 0.0898 4.42
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.0996 0.0236 4.23
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 28.3 4.28e- 4 2 0.503 0.397 0.0996 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Pass (Close call)
Code: [/color] > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.403 0.0690 5.84
2 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.395 0.0843 4.69
3 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.202 0.0226 8.95
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 15.7 4.67e- 2 2 0.403 0.395 0.202 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Global25/G25
Scaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 2.0861% / 0.02086144
88.0 Iberian_IA
8.0 Roman
4.0 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 2.3469% / 0.02346904
47.6 Iberian_IA
29.8 North_African
22.6 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.5184% / 0.01518409
67.0 Iberian_IA
19.6 Roman
13.4 North_African
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.3043% / 0.01304294
45.8 Iberian_IA
34.2 Roman
20.0 North_African
Unscaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 1.2275% / 0.01227499
90.0 Iberian_IA
5.8 Roman
4.2 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 1.3346% / 0.01334606
48.0 Iberian_IA
34.8 North_African
17.2 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.8682% / 0.00868199
66.2 Iberian_IA
20.4 North_African
13.4 Roman
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.6554% / 0.00655364
45.0 Iberian_IA
28.8 Roman
26.2 North_African
¿ Any spanish models ?
Posts: 211
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04-27-2024, 11:26 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2024, 11:34 PM by Jalisciense.)
(04-15-2024, 08:16 PM)HDG33 Wrote: Great thread I only have 2 questions
1 ¿ What are roman samples ?
2 ¿ Can the models be used for modern Portuguese ?
Thanks!
1. The ones used in the Genetic origins, singularity, and heterogeneity of Basques study by Flores-Bello (But just the ones from Greece and Central/South Italy as I wrote in the OP).
2. It could be, but you'd need more Iberian IA and Roman samples.
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
Posts: 211
Threads: 18
Joined: Oct 2023
Gender: Male
Ethnicity: Mestizo
Nationality: Mexican
Y-DNA (P): E1b-L19 -> M183 -> PF2546
Y-DNA (M): E1b-L19 -> M183 -> PF2546
mtDNA (M): B2g1
mtDNA (P): Unknown
Country:
04-27-2024, 11:27 PM
(This post was last modified: 04-27-2024, 11:33 PM by Jalisciense.)
(04-27-2024, 09:08 AM)HDG33 Wrote: (01-25-2024, 06:42 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: Using the same references and populations: 3 iberians IA, 2 Romans (Central/South Italian and Greek shifted) and 1 North African.
Note: The qpAdm results were made by the user eupator (TA and Eupedia user), I just sent him the target and left populations.
qpAdm
*Pass
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Iberian_IA 0.726 0.103 7.05
2 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG Roman 0.217 0.131 1.66
3 Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG North_African.DG 0.0563 0.0347 1.63
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 13.6 9.19e- 2 2 0.726 0.217 0.0563 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Pass
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Iberian_IA 0.467 0.0916 5.10
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG Roman 0.206 0.114 1.81
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG North_African.DG 0.328 0.0302 10.8
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 10.4 2.35e- 1 2 0.467 0.206 0.328 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Fail
Code: > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.503 0.0709 7.09
2 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.397 0.0898 4.42
3 Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.0996 0.0236 4.23
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 28.3 4.28e- 4 2 0.503 0.397 0.0996 TRUE NA NA NA NA
*Pass (Close call)
Code: [/color] > results$weights
# A tibble: 3 × 5
target left weight se z
1 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Iberian_IA 0.403 0.0690 5.84
2 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG Roman 0.395 0.0843 4.69
3 Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG North_African.DG 0.202 0.0226 8.95
> results$popdrop
# A tibble: 7 × 14
pat wt dof chisq p f4rank Iberian_IA Roman North_African.DG feasible best dofdiff chisqd…¹ p_nes…²
1 000 0 8 15.7 4.67e- 2 2 0.403 0.395 0.202 TRUE NA NA NA NA
Global25/G25
Scaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 2.0861% / 0.02086144
88.0 Iberian_IA
8.0 Roman
4.0 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 2.3469% / 0.02346904
47.6 Iberian_IA
29.8 North_African
22.6 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.5184% / 0.01518409
67.0 Iberian_IA
19.6 Roman
13.4 North_African
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 1.3043% / 0.01304294
45.8 Iberian_IA
34.2 Roman
20.0 North_African
Unscaled
Target: Portugal_Conimbriga_Roman.SG
Distance: 1.2275% / 0.01227499
90.0 Iberian_IA
5.8 Roman
4.2 North_African
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman_oAfrica.SG
Distance: 1.3346% / 0.01334606
48.0 Iberian_IA
34.8 North_African
17.2 Roman
Target: Portugal_Miroico_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.8682% / 0.00868199
66.2 Iberian_IA
20.4 North_African
13.4 Roman
Target: Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman.SG
Distance: 0.6554% / 0.00655364
45.0 Iberian_IA
28.8 Roman
26.2 North_African
¿ Any spanish models ?
No, but you could find the models with modern Spanish population in Genetic origins, singularity, and heterogeneity of Basques study by Flores-Bello.
23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian
[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"
Jalisciense
Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
Posts: 22
Threads: 3
Joined: Apr 2024
(04-27-2024, 11:26 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: (04-15-2024, 08:16 PM)HDG33 Wrote: Great thread I only have 2 questions
1 ¿ What are roman samples ?
2 ¿ Can the models be used for modern Portuguese ?
Thanks!
1. The ones used in the Genetic origins, singularity, and heterogeneity of Basques study by Flores-Bello (But just the ones from Greece and Central/South Italy as I wrote in the OP).
2. It could be, but you'd need more Iberian IA and Roman samples. 1 I mean, I don't understand what Eastern Mediterranean or Imperial Roman is, but if you want that we can talk about it via DM
2 So ¿ you want to say that modern Portuguese have more Iberian and Roman than Roman Portuguese ? If that is the case, I don't know if a Germanic source is also needed for the Suebi, for example.
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