Kerala Y Dna and miscellaneous

[vishankar]

Dear friends, thanks to the family tree DNA discover initiative... an initial look into some of the Y-DNA of kits in my possession has been possible...so her I am sharing some of the Y-DNA  haplogroups of not only malayalis..but also other communties (kits in my possession)!

[vishankar]

bunt ( kasargod)-H-Z5890.
kamma-H-Z34496
UP Kayastha-R-Y6
Teli- Jharkand- R-Y7
nair(palakkad)-R-Z2124
nambiar(nair kannur)-H-Z5890
namboodiri (kannur)-L-M357
vilakathilla nair-J-Z7700
nambiar2( kannur)- R-Z94
toda-R-Z2124
nair (kottayam)-J-P279
nair (palakkad)-C-PH407
poduval(payyanur)-J-M68
nair(pillai-kottayam)-H-M2772
thiyya(kozhikode)-R-SK2153
anglo indian( kannur)-H-Apt
poduval(payyannur)-R-Z94.
nair (kozhikode)-Q-Z19128
nair(badagara)-R-Z2124.
nair(ottapalam)-R-Y7
punjabi baniya-H-Z4414
vaniya( kannur)-R-Z2124
saliya(kanNur)-L-M27
Bunt2(kasargod)-R-Z2124
thiyya(kannur)-H-Z13871

[pegasus]

bunt ( kasargod)-H-Z5890.
kamma-H-Z34496
UP Kayastha-R-Y6
Teli- Jharkand- R-Y7
nair(palakkad)-R-Z2124
nambiar(nair kannur)-H-Z5890
namboodiri (kannur)-L-M357
vilakathilla nair-J-Z7700
nambiar2( kannur)- R-Z94
toda-R-Z2124
nair (kottayam)-J-P279
nair (palakkad)-C-PH407
poduval(payyanur)-J-M68
nair(pillai-kottayam)-H-M2772
thiyya(kozhikode)-R-SK2153
anglo indian( kannur)-H-Apt
poduval(payyannur)-R-Z94.
nair (kozhikode)-Q-Z19128
nair(badagara)-R-Z2124.
nair(ottapalam)-R-Y7
punjabi baniya-H-Z4414
vaniya( kannur)-R-Z2124
saliya(kanNur)-L-M27
Bunt2(kasargod)-R-Z2124
thiyya(kannur)-H-Z13871

If that Toda is having R1a-Z2124 , he must be admixed, afaik none of the ones in the data set had this Y DNA. Is this from one of the Toda samples you posted and which one because they had very little to 0 Steppe ancestry.

[vishankar]

bunt ( kasargod)-H-Z5890.
kamma-H-Z34496
UP Kayastha-R-Y6
Teli- Jharkand- R-Y7
nair(palakkad)-R-Z2124
nambiar(nair kannur)-H-Z5890
namboodiri (kannur)-L-M357
vilakathilla nair-J-Z7700
nambiar2( kannur)- R-Z94
toda-R-Z2124
nair (kottayam)-J-P279
nair (palakkad)-C-PH407
poduval(payyanur)-J-M68
nair(pillai-kottayam)-H-M2772
thiyya(kozhikode)-R-SK2153
anglo indian( kannur)-H-Apt
poduval(payyannur)-R-Z94.
nair (kozhikode)-Q-Z19128
nair(badagara)-R-Z2124.
nair(ottapalam)-R-Y7
punjabi baniya-H-Z4414
vaniya( kannur)-R-Z2124
saliya(kanNur)-L-M27
Bunt2(kasargod)-R-Z2124
thiyya(kannur)-H-Z13871

If that Toda is having R1a-Z2124 , he must be admixed, afaik none of the ones in the data set had this Y DNA. Is this from one of the Toda samples you posted and which one because they had very little to 0 Steppe ancestry.
I could access only 2  todas.....this belonged to a gentleman called Kasnar...( sorry to divulge the name...but he wont have a problem with that!)
interestingly toda number 2-his YDNA  is C-B473!
i WILL post some more Y-DNA'S once i arrange them....the second toda Y-DNA seems to be from an ANE source.

[vishankar]

this is the toda sample's harappa run....


Sample:

docviv ►
kasnarkuttan-raw
Calculator: HarappaWorld
Coverage: 72788 SNPs (38.68%)
Results: S-Indian 48.3
Baloch 39.1
Caucasian 9.31
Papuan 1.92
Pygmy 0.56
Siberian 0.54
Beringian 0.16
W-African 0.09
NE-Euro 0
SE-Asian 0
NE-Asian 0
American 0
Mediterranean 0
SW-Asian 0
San 0
E-African 0

[Slayeroid]

this is the toda sample's harappa run....


Sample:

docviv ►
kasnarkuttan-raw
Calculator: HarappaWorld
Coverage: 72788 SNPs (38.68%)
Results: S-Indian 48.3
Baloch 39.1
Caucasian 9.31
Papuan 1.92
Pygmy 0.56
Siberian 0.54
Beringian 0.16
W-African 0.09
NE-Euro 0
SE-Asian 0
NE-Asian 0
American 0
Mediterranean 0
SW-Asian 0
San 0
E-African 0

If you are living in India then my personal suggestion would be to test people through Living DNA over other sites,  the raw data for Living DNA has  much higher coverage  than other sites that ship to India. It will give more accurate results for tools like Harrapa world , G25 and even qpADm.

[vishankar]

this is the toda sample's harappa run....


Sample:

docviv ►
kasnarkuttan-raw
Calculator: HarappaWorld
Coverage: 72788 SNPs (38.68%)
Results: S-Indian 48.3
Baloch 39.1
Caucasian 9.31
Papuan 1.92
Pygmy 0.56
Siberian 0.54
Beringian 0.16
W-African 0.09
NE-Euro 0
SE-Asian 0
NE-Asian 0
American 0
Mediterranean 0
SW-Asian 0
San 0
E-African 0

If you are living in India then my personal suggestion would be to test people through Living DNA over other sites,  the raw data for Living DNA has  much higher coverage  than other sites that ship to India. It will give more accurate results for tools like Harrapa world , G25 and even qpADm.

do they ship to INdia?....will consider it....i generally put all these samples through harappa. g25( either davidski/illustrative dna)....not much reason to complain though...

[vishankar]

I got the Y-DNA( 37 markers ) for one of my nair samples....an AUTOSOMAL DNA outlier ....nair pillai with ancetral roots in Kottayam...it is L-M20.

[Slayeroid]

this is the toda sample's harappa run....


Sample:

docviv ►
kasnarkuttan-raw
Calculator: HarappaWorld
Coverage: 72788 SNPs (38.68%)
Results: S-Indian 48.3
Baloch 39.1
Caucasian 9.31
Papuan 1.92
Pygmy 0.56
Siberian 0.54
Beringian 0.16
W-African 0.09
NE-Euro 0
SE-Asian 0
NE-Asian 0
American 0
Mediterranean 0
SW-Asian 0
San 0
E-African 0

If you are living in India then my personal suggestion would be to test people through Living DNA over other sites,  the raw data for Living DNA has  much higher coverage  than other sites that ship to India. It will give more accurate results for tools like Harrapa world , G25 and even qpADm.

do they ship to INdia?....will consider it....i generally put all these samples through harappa. g25( either davidski/illustrative dna)....not much reason to complain though...

Pretty sure that they ship to India , prolly the only other site that ships to India other than family tree and my heritage.

[vishankar]

yet another nair sample of mine...45 year old gentlemena from mavelikara...Y-DNA 37...R-M198

[Slayeroid]

yet another nair sample of mine...45 year old gentlemena from mavelikara...Y-DNA 37...R-M198

Any idea on the Y-DNA for Mappila Muslims ? , might  see some exotic ones.

[vishankar]

yet another nair sample of mine...45 year old gentlemena from mavelikara...Y-DNA 37...R-M198

Any idea on the Y-DNA for Mappila Muslims ? , might  see some exotic ones.

My take on this is that.....even if there is significant paternity from arabs( which is highly unlikely)...the y-dna would be mainly still south asian haplogroups....maybe more haplogroup J than H....

[parasar]

yet another nair sample of mine...45 year old gentlemena from mavelikara...Y-DNA 37...R-M198

Any idea on the Y-DNA for Mappila Muslims ? , might  see some exotic ones.

My take on this is that.....even if there is significant paternity from arabs( which is highly unlikely)...the y-dna would be mainly still south asian haplogroups....maybe more haplogroup J than H....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

[vishankar]

yet another nair sample of mine...45 year old gentlemena from mavelikara...Y-DNA 37...R-M198

Any idea on the Y-DNA for Mappila Muslims ? , might  see some exotic ones.

My take on this is that.....even if there is significant paternity from arabs( which is highly unlikely)...the y-dna would be mainly still south asian haplogroups....maybe more haplogroup J than H....

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2859343/

Thanks Parasar Bhai..I stand corrected...I guess Y-DNA E1B1A would have a decent prevalence among arabs and other middle east populations...J would be more associated with Iranian i presume...mappila muslims are historically offspring of arab fathers and malayali hindu mothers, although this is true of possibly only a few families...the great majority would be converts....Iranian admixture is not known among mappila muslims , athough in Kasargod in northern kerala, there would be Turkic influences...Haplogroup J would be more of a Iranian/levantine haplogroup I presume.

[BMG]

Illustrative DNA results hunter gatherer and farmer ancestry