A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier to Slavic migrations

[ph2ter]

For South Slavic countries:
Medieval:
G2a2 19.0%
I2a1-Din 19.0%
J2 14.3%
R1b1 14.3%
E1b1 9.5%
Q1a 9.5%
R1a-CTS1211 9.5%
R1a-M458 4.8%
J1 4.8%


Pre-Medieval:
E1b1 38%
R1b 18%
G2a2 12%
J2 12%
I1 6%
R1a-Z93 6%
T1a 4%
I2a2 2%
J1 2%

[FR9CZ6]

Thanks!
Does anyone have the G25 cords for these POH samples? I don't find them in the spreadsheets.

[Bukva_]

Thanks!
Does anyone have the G25 cords for these POH samples? I don't find them in the spreadsheets.

Code:

Czech_MA:LIB2,0.12862,0.145221,0.071653,0.063308,0.045855,0.025937,0.005875,0.005307,-0.001023,-0.005649,-0.009743,0.002548,-0.00669,-0.00812,0.013165,0,-0.001043,-0.003674,-0.008673,0.016133,0.006863,0.006925,-0.000123,0.01687,-0.010658
Czech_MA:LIB3,0.111547,0.147252,0.01697,-0.012274,0.042469,-0.010319,0.00517,-0.006231,0.011453,0.02934,-0.012829,0.004346,-0.014866,0.000413,0.000543,-0.013657,-0.005215,0.002534,-0.010559,-0.013381,-0.001872,-0.008285,-0.001849,0.00976,-0.001916
Czech_MA:LIB11,0.1161,0.142174,0.05242,0.041667,0.046162,0.010877,0.011045,0.001154,0,-0.020046,0.002111,0.001948,0.00773,0.016652,-0.0057,-0.003978,-0.004303,-0.012162,-0.003771,-0.002751,0.001622,-0.00779,0.013434,-0.002048,-0.001557
Czech_MA:POH3,0.127482,0.123895,0.053551,0.022933,0.038776,0.002231,0.005875,0.013615,0.002045,-0.002916,0.006496,-0.005995,0.010852,0.011285,-0.015608,-0.011535,0.013821,-0.004434,-0.013827,0.013256,-0.003244,0.003586,0.00912,-0.010122,0.002036
Czech_MA:POH11,0.12862,0.145221,0.067882,0.051034,0.031083,0.014223,0.0094,0.006,-0.010226,-0.006196,-0.009581,0.003297,0.009812,0.024222,-0.013301,0,0.010822,-0.005194,0.007919,0.003377,-0.014225,-0.002473,0.011955,0.004458,-0.006466
Czech_MA:POH13,0.127482,0.132019,0.083721,0.078489,0.050471,0.026495,0.00517,0.018922,0.004295,-0.028429,-0.004384,-0.006744,0.017988,0.043076,-0.008143,-0.011668,0.005346,0.000507,0.004022,0.012256,-0.012228,-0.008903,0.01368,-0.013496,-0.002395
Czech_MA:POH27,0.126344,0.152329,0.037335,-0.001938,0.030159,-0.001116,0.004935,-0.002769,-0.008795,0.003462,0.00065,0.011989,0.002379,0.006881,-0.009093,-0.002121,0.024512,-0.000127,-0.005405,-0.006628,-0.001872,-0.011252,0.008751,0.001084,-0.002754
Czech_MA:POH28,0.141141,0.136081,0.087492,0.081719,0.047086,0.027052,0.019976,0.023999,0.010635,-0.01385,-0.001299,-0.014537,0.027502,0.03647,-0.015065,-0.007425,-0.014473,-0.005954,-0.005531,0,-0.007237,-0.004204,0.000616,-0.00964,-0.002275
Czech_MA:POH36,0.12862,0.132019,0.072407,0.05491,0.055395,0.01004,0.00376,0.006692,0.005727,-0.02278,0.000812,-0.025777,0.005946,0.015138,-0.011672,0.00358,0.014864,-0.006334,0.007919,-0.001876,-0.003619,-0.000247,0.002835,0.000964,0.005389
Czech_MA:POH40,0.133173,0.137096,0.061094,0.056525,0.046778,0.02259,0.016216,0.004615,-0.000409,-0.023144,-0.014615,-0.002248,0.011596,0.013487,0.009229,0.009679,0.015255,0.002027,0.000126,0.007379,0.001497,-0.00272,0.003328,-0.009037,-0.011376
Czech_MA:POH41,0.129758,0.128972,0.074293,0.062016,0.033852,0.01757,0.014101,0.013153,0.000205,-0.01877,-0.00682,0.005545,0.013528,0.026286,-0.011129,0.012596,0.00013,-0.001014,0.004274,0.005503,0.001747,-0.001731,0.00912,-0.005543,0.014609

[Leeloo]

Are those real coords?

[ph2ter]

Are those real coords?

You know when you see more than 6 decimal digits that the values are simulated.
The Czech samples are real G25, and all those new samples from Balkan are simulated.

[Leeloo]

Are those real coords?

You know when you see more than 6 decimal digits that the values are simulated.
The Czech samples are real G25, and all those new samples from Balkan are simulated.

Yeah. I ran those in my ancient models and POH13 and 28 came out entirely Slavic. Other samples are more mixed. LIB2 is highly Germanic, but it has some minor Slavic input.

[Sailgios]

David used to have LIB2 in G25 some years ago, since it was the only Suebi sample available, and because the Suebi settled here in NW Iberia, I copied the original coordinates back then. I still use it in my models, it seems quite good for a good deal of Portuguese folks. Not for me though, but then again I'm rather 'unscandinavian'/'ungermanic'.

Code:

Suebi_unscaled:LIB2,0.011299984,0.0143,0.019000198,0.0196,0.014900081,0.009300456,0.0025,0.002299792,-0.000500189,-0.003099781,-0.005999384,0.001700136,-0.004500288,-0.005900144,0.0097,0,-0.000799884,-0.002900221,-0.006898977,0.012901708,0.005500178,0.005600618,-0.0001,0.014002152,-0.008881667

Code:

Suebi_scaled:LIB2,0.128619646,0.145220706,0.071652999,0.063308,0.045855271,0.025948272,0.005875,0.005305949,-0.001022997,-0.005648918,-0.009739,0.002548504,-0.006690145,-0.008119582,0.013164719,0,-0.001042889,-0.00367458,-0.0086713,0.016127135,0.006862389,0.006925286,-0.000123263,0.016870798,-0.010638263

He seems like your generic Scandinavian (was LIB2 a he, or a she? or a maybe a they).

Distance to: Suebi_scaled
0.03062958 Danish
0.03234694 Icelandic
0.03288394 Swedish
0.03337503 Norwegian
0.03702840 German_Hamburg
0.03786073 Dutch
0.03855395 Scottish
0.03912291 Orcadian
0.03961381 Irish
0.04007634 English
0.04016016 Shetlandic
0.04081193 Welsh
0.04087446 English_Cornwall
0.04228365 German
0.04462821 French_Brittany
0.04481218 German_East
0.04602615 German_Erlangen
0.04830680 Czech
0.04842237 Afrikaner
0.05036764 Polish_Silesian
0.05061528 BelgianA
0.05315198 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05328468 Polish_Kashubian
0.05408007 Austrian
0.05459538 BelgianB

[Radko]

David used to have LIB2 in G25 some years ago, since it was the only Suebi sample available, and because the Suebi settled here in NW Iberia, I copied the original coordinates back then. I still use it in my models, it seems quite good for a good deal of Portuguese folks. Not for me though, but then again I'm rather 'unscandinavian'/'ungermanic'.

Code:

Suebi_unscaled:LIB2,0.011299984,0.0143,0.019000198,0.0196,0.014900081,0.009300456,0.0025,0.002299792,-0.000500189,-0.003099781,-0.005999384,0.001700136,-0.004500288,-0.005900144,0.0097,0,-0.000799884,-0.002900221,-0.006898977,0.012901708,0.005500178,0.005600618,-0.0001,0.014002152,-0.008881667

Code:

Suebi_scaled:LIB2,0.128619646,0.145220706,0.071652999,0.063308,0.045855271,0.025948272,0.005875,0.005305949,-0.001022997,-0.005648918,-0.009739,0.002548504,-0.006690145,-0.008119582,0.013164719,0,-0.001042889,-0.00367458,-0.0086713,0.016127135,0.006862389,0.006925286,-0.000123263,0.016870798,-0.010638263

He seems like your generic Scandinavian (was LIB2 a he, or a she? or a maybe a they).

Distance to: Suebi_scaled
0.03062958 Danish
0.03234694 Icelandic
0.03288394 Swedish
0.03337503 Norwegian
0.03702840 German_Hamburg
0.03786073 Dutch
0.03855395 Scottish
0.03912291 Orcadian
0.03961381 Irish
0.04007634 English
0.04016016 Shetlandic
0.04081193 Welsh
0.04087446 English_Cornwall
0.04228365 German
0.04462821 French_Brittany
0.04481218 German_East
0.04602615 German_Erlangen
0.04830680 Czech
0.04842237 Afrikaner
0.05036764 Polish_Silesian
0.05061528 BelgianA
0.05315198 French_Pas-de-Calais
0.05328468 Polish_Kashubian
0.05408007 Austrian
0.05459538 BelgianB

"Libiva 2 was a man who lived between 400 - 600 CE during the Late Iron Age and was found in the region now known as Breclav, Libiva, Czech Republic.

He was associated with the Iron Age Moravia cultural group."

Y-DNA - https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/I-S20905/tree

[eastara]

I1116; 775-994 AD; Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Serbia; I2a1b-Y3120>S17250>Y5596>Z16971>Y5595>FT39645>Y12911>FT42350 (xFT43555,FT122179)

Y5596 level: Y5596/BY128+  A>C (9C)

Z16971 level: Y12910+  C>T (3T-1C)

Y5595 level: Y5595/Z16972+  G>T (1T)

FT39645 level: FT39645+  G>A (4A)

Y12911 level: Y12911/A2423+  C>T (3T)

FT42350 level: FT42350+  C>A (1A)

FT43555 level: FT43555-  G>C (1G)

FT122179 level: FT122179-  T>A (3T)

FT234871 level: *no calls*

Is this the earliest Dinaric sample found so far on the Balkans? I remember that some considered to be from the Bronze age are discounted as an archaeological mistake as they were not radiocarbon dated.

[ph2ter]

I1116; 775-994 AD; Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Serbia; I2a1b-Y3120>S17250>Y5596>Z16971>Y5595>FT39645>Y12911>FT42350 (xFT43555,FT122179)

Y5596 level: Y5596/BY128+  A>C (9C)

Z16971 level: Y12910+  C>T (3T-1C)

Y5595 level: Y5595/Z16972+  G>T (1T)

FT39645 level: FT39645+  G>A (4A)

Y12911 level: Y12911/A2423+  C>T (3T)

FT42350 level: FT42350+  C>A (1A)

FT43555 level: FT43555-  G>C (1G)

FT122179 level: FT122179-  T>A (3T)

FT234871 level: *no calls*

Is this the earliest Dinaric sample found so far on the Balkans? I remember that some considered to be from the Bronze age are discounted as an archaeological mistake as they were not radiocarbon dated.

Yes.
The oldest I2a-Din was found in Turkey just south of Istanbul: Turkey_Byzantine_oEuropean__I10430 dated to 732 CE.
The second oldest are Pohansko samples (Czechia) from about 850 CE.
This Gomolava sample is dated to about 885 CE.

[eastara]

I1116; 775-994 AD; Gomolava, Hrtkovci, Serbia; I2a1b-Y3120>S17250>Y5596>Z16971>Y5595>FT39645>Y12911>FT42350 (xFT43555,FT122179)

Y5596 level: Y5596/BY128+  A>C (9C)

Z16971 level: Y12910+  C>T (3T-1C)

Y5595 level: Y5595/Z16972+  G>T (1T)

FT39645 level: FT39645+  G>A (4A)

Y12911 level: Y12911/A2423+  C>T (3T)

FT42350 level: FT42350+  C>A (1A)

FT43555 level: FT43555-  G>C (1G)

FT122179 level: FT122179-  T>A (3T)

FT234871 level: *no calls*

Is this the earliest Dinaric sample found so far on the Balkans? I remember that some considered to be from the Bronze age are discounted as an archaeological mistake as they were not radiocarbon dated.

Yes.
The oldest I2a-Din was found in Turkey just south of Istanbul: Turkey_Byzantine_oEuropean__I10430 dated to 732 CE.
The second oldest are Pohansko samples (Czechia) from about 850 CE.
This Gomolava sample is dated to about 885 CE.

Thanks, I meant on the Balkans and it looks the earliest. However, this branch is now not common at all there, the area now in Serbia is dominated by Dinaric South, so probably there were further population movements.

[ph2ter]

Thanks, I meant on the Balkans and it looks the earliest. However, this branch is now not common at all there, the area now in Serbia is dominated by Dinaric South, so probably there were further population movements.

The Gomolava sample belongs to BY128-A2423. This haplo is today most common in southern Poland and Slovakia.
For example, I am also BY128, but A815 (as were also the samples from Pohansko BY128-A815).

[Michalis Moriakos]

Anybody sent the links to the raw data for the new ancient samples and Serbs to Davidski yet? I figured somebody would've already done it but I might be suffering from bystander effect.

[Awood]

It looks like Asian migration (Q1) had a significant impact in the Middle Ages. Is it possible that I2-Dinaric was on the receiving end of the eastern aggression? Possibly as an Iron Age group in Ukraine that was displaced to the Balkans.

[alexfritz]

figure 2 looks interesting
specially the 'roman west-anatolian/levant' slot

while the cluster itself disappears ~300-400CE there are alot of intermediates post 500CE than pre 500CE (even post 750CE) though more >25% than >50%; so while the empire and roman infrastructure collapsed the people did remain; which however is not overly surprising when just looking at how the paper describes the whole habit of the anatolian cluster during the roman period

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SpoilerPeople with Anatolian ancestry and people with local Balkan ancestry were not spatially segregated in burial nor, for the most part, culturally distinct in burial customs or grave goods. They admixed and were buried at the same necropolises, even side by side as in tomb G-148 at Rit necropolis (Figure 2D). However, the evidence may also point to some degree of social stratification, because all 3 individuals at the Rit necropolis of Anatolian origin were buried in stone sarcophagi with exceptionally rich grave goods (Figure 2D; Data S1, section 1)

though already discussed back on anthrogenica it is published papers like these that spell it out and make clear again that the anatolian profile was not just a random migrant group within the empire but indeed the core roman profile of the imperial period; specially when understanding the mentioned parallels to roman italy experiencing a similar influx on a major scale which the southern arc paper (featuring the roman/byzantine anatolian clusters) did conclude as a 'real overlap' and a major population-wide shift towards it

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Spoiler A very strong demographic shift toward Anatolia is also evident in Rome and central Italy during the same period ... there was significant migration by individuals of Anatolian/Eastern Mediterranean ancestry, either directly or through Italy, whose admixture would leave a long trail in later local populations