A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier to Slavic migrations

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[Radko]

"The material culture of the cemetery has been identified as Slavic (influenced by the “Köttlach” and contemporary Bavarian material culture; Carolingian-influenced pottery)."

I15232 - Pottenbrunn, Austria, 773-890 cal CE (1190±20 BP, PSUAMS-9000)

Y-DNA: https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y4135/ or https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/R-Y4135/tree

[1] "1. CLOSEST SINGLE ITEM DISTANCE%"
                Europe_PL_Podkarpackie
                                  1.309053
                  Europe_PL_Wielkopolskie
                                  1.311178
                  Europe_PL_Warmia-Masuria
                                  1.323991
                      Russia_RUS_Voronezh
                                  1.331729
                  Europe_PL_Malopolskie
                                  1.407469
              Europe_PL_Kujawsko-Pomorskie
                                  1.418136
                    Europe_UA_Rivne-Oblast
                                  1.420901
(...)

Distance to: I15232_simulated_G25
0.01574485 Polish
0.01594431 Ukrainian_Rivne
0.01757024 Ukrainian_Dnipro
0.01894727 Russian_Belgorod
0.01930831 Russian_Kursk
0.01964498 Ukrainian_Zhytomyr
0.01970008 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.01998750 Russian_Voronez
0.02021839 Ukrainian_Chernihiv
0.02138378 Russian_Ryazan
0.02178556 Slovakian
0.02187779 Russian_Orel
0.02354474 Polish_Silesian
0.02356645 Ukrainian_Sumy
0.02446116 Moldovan_o
0.02465490 Polish_Kashubian
0.02489746 Ukrainian_Lviv
0.02567765 Russian_Kaluga
0.02610048 Russian_Smolensk
0.02625394 Ukrainian_Zakarpattia
0.02660203 Russian_Tver
0.02692086 Sorb_Niederlausitz
0.02722018 Belarusian
0.02951700 Czech
0.03047868 Lithuanian_PA

I15232_Pottenbrunn_Austria_773-890_cal_CE,0.13153418949900011,0.12149409847799998,0.07267079184300002,0.05782320651900001,0.037041415913999995,0.02024661999099999,0.009993027867000008,0.012557124205999963,0.000985954102000041,-0.018167406959999993,-0.0015475988847639993,-0.006485613097999947,0.014613126381999996,0.010121650470000208,-0.011032744008000122,0.0018435752890000982,0.006616535783999931,-0.0014828220379998688,0.0004303095809999732,0.0006669424460000024,-0.004553807316000136,0.00006780396800000824,0.0044947481739999766,-0.0016269079709999865,-0.0014203719500001308

[Riverman]

Looks like FTDNA will take care of a proper downstream assignment, as far as possible, from Göran Runström:

Another large study by Olalde et al. has been published: "A genetic history of the Balkans from Roman frontier to Slavic migrations"
Looks like around 80 male samples with a diverse set of Y-DNA haplogroups from mostly present-day Croatia and Serbia, but also Albania, Austria, Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, and Slovakia.
We will analyze and make the haplogroup results available in the next few weeks.

[Pribislav]

I28388; 700-900 AD; Dvorac, Nuštar, Croatia; E-Z5018>S2979>FGC11457>FGC11451>FGC11450>BY4856 (xBY50699)


FGC11457 level: FGC11449/Y13926/B409+  C>T (2T)

FGC11451 level: FGC11455+  C>G (3F)

FGC11450 level: FGC11450/Y15156+  G>A (1A)

BY4856 level: BY4856+  T>C (10C)

[Riverman]

I28388; 700-900 AD; Dvorac, Nuštar, Croatia; E-Z5018>S2979>FGC11457>FGC11451>FGC11450>BY4856 (xBY50699)


FGC11457 level: FGC11449/Y13926/B409+  C>T (2T)

FGC11451 level: FGC11455+  C>G (3F)

FGC11450 level: FGC11450/Y15156+  G>A (1A)

BY4856 level: BY4856+  T>C (10C)

https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/E-BY4856/tree

Moderns are more North Western, but the TMRCA is in the Vekerzug time frame.

[Sailgios]

There is a thin chance that this sample might be from my haplogroup but the study is suggesting E-m34 positivity:

                            I15502
G-105
tooth
This study
215-326 calCE (1800±20 BP, PSUAMS-13191)

15-25
Serbia_ViminaciumPirivoj
Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis
Serbia

M
404.1
U3a2a1

E-M123
E1b,E-Z830,E-PF1962,E-M123
E1b1b1b2a1

It would be truly phenomenal if your specific clade were to be found

[okshtunas]

Simulated g25:

This was the only M458 in the study? would have expected more, and at least L1029 which is far more common than L260 in the Balkams.

[Capsian20]

There is a thin chance that this sample might be from my haplogroup but the study is suggesting E-m34 positivity:

                            I15502
G-105
tooth
This study
215-326 calCE (1800±20 BP, PSUAMS-13191)

15-25
Serbia_ViminaciumPirivoj
Viminacium, Pirivoj Necropolis
Serbia

M
404.1
U3a2a1

E-M123
E1b,E-Z830,E-PF1962,E-M123
E1b1b1b2a1

It would be truly phenomenal if your specific clade were to be found

There G25 this sample ?

[Bukva_]

Simulated g25:

This was the only M458 in the study? would have expected more, and at least L1029 which is far more common than L260 in the Balkams.

There is R-Y132940 downstream of R-YP1337 that has living descendants in Croatia, from Imotski area supposedly.
R-FT377312 downstream of R-YP1337 has a living descendant in Slovenia (8 Czech, 1 Polish and 1 Turkish).
R-YP1337 predicted from Krk, Croatia.

[Kelmendasi]

Interesting that sample I26749 from medieval (ca. 774-885 CE) Brekinjova Kosa is modelled entirely as as Balkan Iron Age-related in regard to autosomal profile and admixture, despite bearing a clearly West Asian patrilineage: J1-Y4349. As such, this patrilineage (as well as many other West Asian clades present in the Balkans) must have been established in the region since at least a number of generations prior. There is a modern Balkan clade (including Albanians, Greeks, and I believe some South Slavs) further downstream of Y4349 at J1-FT144690, although its hard to say if this branch is related in any meaningful way to this sample without further analysis. 

On the other hand, sample I15529 from Roman (ca. 100-200 CE) Viminacium is modelled as Anatolian Roman-related from an autosomal perspective and bears a West Asian haplogroup: J1-BY94. This is of interest since BY94 has a rather old presence in the Balkans given that it has been found in an ancient (ca. 500-100 BCE) sample from Idomenae in North Macedonia, albeit this sample too had an atypical autosomal profile for a local of the region being Levantine-related. This perhaps indicates that J1-BY94 clades expanded into the Balkans in various different waves from West Asia (probably around Anatolia). There are a number of downstream clades found in the Balkans today, J1-Y177580 being noticeably diverse among Albanians.

[FR9CZ6]

Do we have G25 for the other two samples from Slovakia?

I13458 - Výčapy-Opatovce
I4803 - Mlynská Dolina

Along with the Blatne Senec sample they are our first samples who represent how the population of the Principality of Nitra and later Great Moravian realm might have looked like genetically, right?

[Radko]

Do we have G25 for the other two samples from Slovakia?

I13458 - Výčapy-Opatovce
I4803 - Mlynská Dolina

Along with the Blatne Senec sample they are our first samples who represent how the population of the Principality of Nitra and later Great Moravian realm might have looked like genetically, right?

We already have some G25 coordinates from Great Moravian population buried in Czechia.

[FR9CZ6]

Do we have G25 for the other two samples from Slovakia?

I13458 - Výčapy-Opatovce
I4803 - Mlynská Dolina

Along with the Blatne Senec sample they are our first samples who represent how the population of the Principality of Nitra and later Great Moravian realm might have looked like genetically, right?

We already have some G25 coordinates from Great Moravian population buried in Czechia.

Like which? I think I missed something.

[Radko]

Do we have G25 for the other two samples from Slovakia?

I13458 - Výčapy-Opatovce
I4803 - Mlynská Dolina

Along with the Blatne Senec sample they are our first samples who represent how the population of the Principality of Nitra and later Great Moravian realm might have looked like genetically, right?

We already have some G25 coordinates from Great Moravian population buried in Czechia.

Like which? I think I missed something.

For example POHxx samples, I20515, etc.

BTW, recent slide about the genetic history of Czechia.



More here: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?...97#pid5597