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#16
(12-12-2023, 09:56 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: I have update for ancient mixed mode, do you have it? I'm waiting for the new results

No, like you, I am waiting because I saw your post and I already request it lol
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"

        Jalisciense

Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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#17
(12-12-2023, 09:56 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: I have update for ancient mixed mode, do you have it? I'm waiting for the new results

Well, I have results, just minor update.
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#18
(12-12-2023, 10:12 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(12-12-2023, 06:52 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote:
(12-12-2023, 06:29 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(12-11-2023, 08:08 AM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: @Jalisciense

Like I don't know your heritage, despite that you was in my friends list on AG for 1 year and your description

Wait, are you Aben Aboo?

Yeah, that's why I say that! lol.

That is so cool bro! Good to see you again.

How have you been?

You are welcome my friend, as we say: "Al Hamduli'Llâhi", thanks to God, I hope you are well.
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#19
(12-12-2023, 10:15 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote:
(12-12-2023, 09:56 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: I have update for ancient mixed mode, do you have it? I'm waiting for the new results

Well, I have results, just minor update.

Lucky you, I didn't get new results.
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"

        Jalisciense

Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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#20
(12-13-2023, 01:16 AM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(12-12-2023, 10:15 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote:
(12-12-2023, 09:56 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: I have update for ancient mixed mode, do you have it? I'm waiting for the new results

Well, I have results, just minor update.

Lucky you, I didn't get new results.

The same, just for some results, the order is a bit different
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#21
@Jalisciense What are your Global and Americas PCAs according Illustrative?
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#22
(12-23-2023, 02:05 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: @Jalisciense What are your Global and Americas PCAs according Illustrative?

PCA Plots

Americas - Latin America

[Image: VuPtce0.png]


Global - Global

[Image: Sa3e4nW.png]
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"

        Jalisciense

Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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#23
(12-23-2023, 08:27 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(12-23-2023, 02:05 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: @Jalisciense What are your Global and Americas PCAs according Illustrative?

PCA Plots

Americas - Latin America

[Image: VuPtce0.png]


Global - Global

[Image: Sa3e4nW.png]


That's nice, thank you! i like to see how admixtures of Latams people work in PCAs knowing they are mainly from southern european, african and native american backgrounds. And even if you are only partly european on genetical point of view, what about your European PCA? thank you (I bet because you have less european HGs and you are well admixed with Native with some SSA that maybe you plot near central italian?)
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#24
Well i had other minor updates and my last is nice, it's about "gaul averages", it's better, their clusters are better refined and better explained in descriptions, it must be said that globally they still do a good job
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#25
@Mulay 'Abdullah

Yeah, I plot near the Crimean/South Asian/Central-Asian, it is pretty funny although not accurate.

About the PCA, I used the Europe (South) because my European ancestry is from there:

[Image: w2gyxzx.png]

As you see, I did not plot near Italy, but some close to turkish balkans/serbians lol

My HG and Farmer Ancestry:

[Image: T8adjUY.png]

For some reason I am always scoring a lot of Iran_N instead CHG, I know that Yamnaya have to be modeled using both plus EHG (At least that's what Iosef lazaridis mentioned), but still is interesting tho.
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"

        Jalisciense

Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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#26
(12-24-2023, 12:40 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: Well i had other minor updates and my last is nice, it's about "gaul averages", it's better, their clusters are better refined and better explained in descriptions, it must be said that globally they still do a good job

Share them!! 

It changed the Iron Age for us!
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 60.8% Mesoamerican & Andean, 21% European, 14.9% MENA and 3.3% Nigerian

[1] "penalty= 0.001"
[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
[1] "distance%=2.1116"

        Jalisciense

Iberian EMA,50.2
Native American,34.6
Guanche,7.4
Levantine EBA,4.6
African,3.2
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#27
(12-24-2023, 06:13 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: @Mulay 'Abdullah

Yeah, I plot near the Crimean/South Asian/Central-Asian, it is pretty funny although not accurate.

About the PCA, I used the Europe (South) because my European ancestry is from there:

[Image: w2gyxzx.png]

As you see, I did not plot near Italy, but some close to turkish balkans/serbians lol

My HG and Farmer Ancestry:

[Image: T8adjUY.png]

For some reason I am always scoring a lot of Iran_N instead CHG, I know that Yamnaya have to be modeled using both plus EHG (At least that's what Iosef lazaridis mentioned), but still is interesting tho.

For the Global PCA, well in a way that can make sense even if it's not representative of your true origin (it's the mid point of all your admixtures). PCAs from Illustrative are in 2D, in 3D it's better and your plot could be different.
For the PCA of Europe,I had forgotten the Turkish populations in the Balkans, so it is more logical that you plot in their area, as they also have a bit of Central/East Asian (which is not identical but closer to native american)+ they are mainly southern european with middle eastern input.

Concerning your Neolithic results, about your Iran don't forget that Caucasus and Iranian are very close and sometimes the tools struggle to distinct them very well. But for both when it has an input, this indicates East Med/Middle eastern ancestry.
We can see sometimes in some genetic studies that they put in the same category the iranian and the caucasus with no more precision and similarly we can see similar thing with the anatolian/levantine. Besides for this last point, Illustrative had responded to a user that Levantine could be absorbed into Anatolian in the Neolithic results.
Another example, I have already seen several results where in the Neolithic results, the North African is much higher than in the Bronze Age results and when this happened quite often it was because of some Natufian like and ssa.
This is why concerning their Neolithic, it's better to make comparison with Neolithic+ in addition results from the Bronze Age breakdown for to have better view and comprehension on the results.
With Bronze Age it's less ancient and some details can appear better.
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#28
(12-24-2023, 06:13 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(12-24-2023, 12:40 PM)Mulay 'Abdullah Wrote: Well i had other minor updates and my last is nice, it's about "gaul averages", it's better, their clusters are better refined and better explained in descriptions, it must be said that globally they still do a good job

Share them!! 

It changed the Iron Age for us!

Yeah, only my Iron Age changed.
يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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#29
Iron Age Mixed mode, here you go:


2 Way

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012104.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012230.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-015201.png]






3 Way

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012438.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012519.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012631.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012714.png]

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-25-012804.png]
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

Code:
Unscaled
0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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For medieval period, my first Guanche result in 3 Way:

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-26-190143.png]


And my highest in 3 Way:

[Image: Capture-d-cran-2023-12-26-190404.png]


All these results and previous are from my Ancestry's coords.
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يَا أَيُّهَا النَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَاكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَاكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَائِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوا ۚ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ اللَّهِ أَتْقَاكُمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
S.49:13

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0.01794617    Spain_Roman_oMixed
0.01889478    Portugal_MonteDaNora_LateRoman
0.01890273    Austria_Ovilava_Roman
يَٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّاسُ إِنَّا خَلَقْنَٰكُم مِّن ذَكَرٍ وَأُنثَىٰ وَجَعَلْنَٰكُمْ شُعُوبًا وَقَبَآئِلَ لِتَعَارَفُوٓا۟ إِنَّ أَكْرَمَكُمْ عِندَ ٱللَّهِ أَتْقَىٰكُمْ إِنَّ ٱللَّهَ عَلِيمٌ خَبِيرٌ
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