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(12-01-2023, 02:04 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: (12-01-2023, 01:32 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Evidently FTDNA is starting to roll out the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroups today, although none of my matches, including my sons and grandsons, has one yet.
Roberta Estes says:
Quote:Big News! FamilyTreeDNA is delivering holiday gifts early!
Y DNA haplogroups are beginning to be delivered as a free benefit to men who took the Family Finder test at FamilyTreeDNA. This is the first wave of a staggered rollout. Haplogroup results will be delivered to several thousand people at a time, in batches, beginning today.
FamilyTreeDNA Provides Y DNA Haplogroups from Family Finder Autosomal Tests
I didn't take its DNA test, but I use the MyHeritageDNA raw data, so do you know if I would have it too?
Apparently you will, but according to that article by Roberta Estes folks who have uploaded their data from other vendors will be the last in line.
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(12-01-2023, 02:07 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: (12-01-2023, 02:04 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: (12-01-2023, 01:32 AM)rmstevens2 Wrote: Evidently FTDNA is starting to roll out the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroups today, although none of my matches, including my sons and grandsons, has one yet.
Roberta Estes says:
Quote:Big News! FamilyTreeDNA is delivering holiday gifts early!
Y DNA haplogroups are beginning to be delivered as a free benefit to men who took the Family Finder test at FamilyTreeDNA. This is the first wave of a staggered rollout. Haplogroup results will be delivered to several thousand people at a time, in batches, beginning today.
FamilyTreeDNA Provides Y DNA Haplogroups from Family Finder Autosomal Tests
I didn't take its DNA test, but I use the MyHeritageDNA raw data, so do you know if I would have it too?
Apparently you will, but according to that article by Roberta Estes folks who have uploaded their data from other vendors will be the last in line.
It is quite fair; thanks
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[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
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Now what I would like to see too is the ability to filter on haplogroups, so that if I type U152, that I will get all matches with U152 and downstream branches, that must be possible I think?
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Debbie Kennett also posted this in the R1b-U106 Group:
Here is the relevant text from the e-mail sent to FTDNA Group Administrators:
Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder Customers
See:
https://groups.io/g/R1b-U106/message/7625
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12-01-2023, 09:34 PM
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Haplogroups start to appear. Just enter the haplogroup name of interest in the search box on the top. Set it to search Y haplogroup.
Just click on match name to see confirmation. At the list its still N/A yet.
Just after quick look, those haplogroups appear to have around 3400 ybp TMRCA, so quite nice.
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(12-01-2023, 09:34 PM)sirdan Wrote: Haplogroups start to appear. Just enter the haplogroup name of interest in the search box on the top. Set it to search Y haplogroup.
Just click on match name to see confirmation. At the list its still N/A yet.
Just after quick look, those haplogroups appear to have around 3400 ybp TMRCA, so quite nice.
No success for me yet.
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(12-01-2023, 09:34 PM)sirdan Wrote: Haplogroups start to appear. Just enter the haplogroup name of interest in the search box on the top. Set it to search Y haplogroup.
Just click on match name to see confirmation. At the list its still N/A yet.
Just after quick look, those haplogroups appear to have around 3400 ybp TMRCA, so quite nice.
Have you checked that these are not just old matches? All my cases with N/A are old matches with their haplogroups now hidden.
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Well, it may be that. Why hidden haplogroups? Its is visible at detail view anyhow.
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12-02-2023, 04:21 PM
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Do we have any idea how far down the tree this will go? Obviously further than say the current generic M269. For example, will it stop at U152 or L2, or will it go further down the subclades?
EDIT: I looked at 1 of the FTDNA accounts I manage and going down the subclades in my signature below it currently has
1 U152
1 L2
0 Z49
0 Z142
0 Z150, 0 Z12222
0 anything below this
EDIT 1: Another account with many more US matches
4 U152
2 U152
0 anything below this.
EDIT 2: Another account with many more US matches
4 U152
3 L2 and 2 L20 which is below L2, but these are probably via older testing results
Nothing below this
So nothing to get excited about so far.
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I understand they will go at least as far as 23andMe currently does. My impression of that is that some guys will get farther up the Y-DNA tree from the root than others. For example, and I've mentioned this before, 23andMe has me as R-Z18021, which is the same thing as what FTDNA calls R-BY166. That's not too bad: P312>Z290>L21>S552>DF13>Z39589>
DF41>FGC5572>BY168>BY166.
That's just a few steps upstream of my Big Y-700 terminal SNP: BY166>FT92330>FT83585>FGC36974>
FGC36982>FGC36981.
Z18021/BY166 is rare enough that I can be pretty sure any of my FF matches with my surname who get that are related to me on the Y-DNA line.
On the other hand, I have seen some Y haplogroup assignments at 23andMe that aren't all that far up the tree.
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(12-02-2023, 05:12 PM)rmstevens2 Wrote: I understand they will go at least as far as 23andMe currently does. My impression of that is that some guys will get farther up the Y-DNA tree from the root than others. For example, and I've mentioned this before, 23andMe has me as R-Z18021, which is the same thing as what FTDNA calls R-BY166. That's not too bad: P312>Z290>L21>S552>DF13>Z39589>
DF41>FGC5572>BY168>BY166.
That's just a few steps upstream of my Big Y-700 terminal SNP: BY166>FT92330>FT83585>FGC36974>
FGC36982>FGC36981.
Z18021/BY166 is rare enough that I can be pretty sure any of my FF matches with my surname who get that are related to me on the Y-DNA line.
On the other hand, I have seen some Y haplogroup assignments at 23andMe that aren't all that far up the tree.
I was right that some guys get better Y-DNA resolution than others, at least at 23andMe. I just randomly took a look at one of my matches at 23andMe. His Y-DNA haplogroup is reported as R-CTS241, but that's just DF13 (see my own tree in what I quoted above).
That's much better than a mere M269, but it's not too exciting or revealing.
Update: Out of curiosity I took a look at another random 23andMe match. His Y-DNA haplogroup is listed as I-Z58. That's just two steps downstream from I-M253 and doesn't strike me as all that informative, but some I-M253 guys might know better on that score.
Guess I got pretty lucky with what I got from 23andMe.
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Does anyone have a confirmed autosomal match with the new haplogroup assignment? I haven't seen any up to now.
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(12-02-2023, 10:46 PM)Riverman Wrote: Does anyone have a confirmed autosomal match with the new haplogroup assignment? I haven't seen any up to now.
I do see when I do a y haplogroup search on one account for "z142", that a match appears, but has "N/A" listed in the haplogroup window, so I assume this match is due to the new feature.
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I've yet to see any haplogroups assigned via autosomal tests.
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(12-03-2023, 04:43 AM)Mitchell-Atkins Wrote: (12-02-2023, 10:46 PM)Riverman Wrote: Does anyone have a confirmed autosomal match with the new haplogroup assignment? I haven't seen any up to now.
I do see when I do a y haplogroup search on one account for "z142", that a match appears, but has "N/A" listed in the haplogroup window, so I assume this match is due to the new feature.
Sooo, is this new feat, old ftdna database problem, or user is hiding its haplo in settings?
IMPORTANT! when search for haplogroup, use capital letters.
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