Distribution of Y-chromosome DNA from around the world

[Mythbuster General]

I wanted to create a thread where we can collectively post all the data that we have regarding Y-DNA distribution among various peoples of the world and make comparisons, have a discussion about them.

One of the most well-known ones is the one from Eupedia, but I see it was last updated in 2017 and I am aware it's not as representative with all populations they cover: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_...oups.shtml

For example I just collected 980 individual samples from Hungarians, which is the largest Y-DNA collection as of yet regarding them, and this is their distribution:
1. R-M420 (R1a): 28%
2. R-M343 (R1b): 18.5%
3. I-M438 (I2): 17%
4. E-M215 (E1b1b): 9%
5. I-M253 (I1): 7.5%
6. J-M172 (J2): 7.5%
7. G-M201: 4.5%
8. N-M231: 3.5%
9. Q-M242: 1.5%
10. J-M267 (J1): 0.5%
11. T-L206: 0.5%
12. L-M20: 0.5%
13. C-F3393 (C1): 0.5%

[Capsian20]

I wanted to create a thread where we can collectively post all the data that we have regarding Y-DNA distribution among various peoples of the world and make comparisons, have a discussion about them.

One of the most well-known ones is the one from Eupedia, but I see it was last updated in 2017 and I am aware it's not as representative with all populations they cover: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_...oups.shtml

For example I just collected 980 individual samples from Hungarians, which is the largest Y-DNA collection as of yet regarding them, and this is their distribution:
1. R-M420 (R1a): 28%
2. R-M343 (R1b): 18.5%
3. I-M438 (I2): 17%
4. E-M215 (E1b1b): 9%
5. I-M253 (I1): 7.5%
6. J-M172 (J2): 7.5%
7. G-M201: 4.5%
8. N-M231: 3.5%
9. Q-M242: 1.5%
10. J-M267 (J1): 0.5%
11. T-L206: 0.5%
12. L-M20: 0.5%
13. C-F3393 (C1): 0.5%

Thanks you 
Is seems to me effects peoples Huns and Hungarians is trace maybe only 5% ( N-M231 and Q-M242)
What is subclades under R1a i think mostly belong under subclass Slavic R-Z282 ?
for E1b1b-M35 is seems to me belong a subclades Carpathians-Balkan E-L618 and some subcldes Near East E-M123 and North African E-L19 and E-M78 ( V22 and V65 )

[Mythbuster General]

I wanted to create a thread where we can collectively post all the data that we have regarding Y-DNA distribution among various peoples of the world and make comparisons, have a discussion about them.

One of the most well-known ones is the one from Eupedia, but I see it was last updated in 2017 and I am aware it's not as representative with all populations they cover: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_...oups.shtml

For example I just collected 980 individual samples from Hungarians, which is the largest Y-DNA collection as of yet regarding them, and this is their distribution:
1. R-M420 (R1a): 28%
2. R-M343 (R1b): 18.5%
3. I-M438 (I2): 17%
4. E-M215 (E1b1b): 9%
5. I-M253 (I1): 7.5%
6. J-M172 (J2): 7.5%
7. G-M201: 4.5%
8. N-M231: 3.5%
9. Q-M242: 1.5%
10. J-M267 (J1): 0.5%
11. T-L206: 0.5%
12. L-M20: 0.5%
13. C-F3393 (C1): 0.5%

Thanks you 
Is seems to me effects peoples Huns and Hungarians is trace maybe only 5% ( N-M231 and Q-M242)
What is subclades under R1a i think mostly belong under subclass Slavic R-Z282 ?
for E1b1b-M35 is seems to me belong a subclades Carpathians-Balkan E-L618 and some subcldes Near East E-M123 and North African E-L19 and E-M78 ( V22 and V65 )

Yes, but 5% is way more than other Central European populations score, it makes Hungarians stand out from their neighbors, and seems to contradict the often used belief that modern Hungarians have no more connections to the original Magyars genetically. Regarding R1a, yes, most of them are of the Slavic variety but I do remember seeing quite a few "Iranian-like" haplogroups too.

[Capsian20]

I wanted to create a thread where we can collectively post all the data that we have regarding Y-DNA distribution among various peoples of the world and make comparisons, have a discussion about them.
One of the most well-known ones is the one from Eupedia, but I see it was last updated in 2017 and I am aware it's not as representative with all populations they cover: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_...oups.shtml
For example I just collected 980 individual samples from Hungarians, which is the largest Y-DNA collection as of yet regarding them, and this is their distribution:
1. R-M420 (R1a): 28%
2. R-M343 (R1b): 18.5%
3. I-M438 (I2): 17%
4. E-M215 (E1b1b): 9%
5. I-M253 (I1): 7.5%
6. J-M172 (J2): 7.5%
7. G-M201: 4.5%
8. N-M231: 3.5%
9. Q-M242: 1.5%
10. J-M267 (J1): 0.5%
11. T-L206: 0.5%
12. L-M20: 0.5%
13. C-F3393 (C1): 0.5%

Thanks you 
Is seems to me effects peoples Huns and Hungarians is trace maybe only 5% ( N-M231 and Q-M242)
What is subclades under R1a i think mostly belong under subclass Slavic R-Z282 ?
for E1b1b-M35 is seems to me belong a subclades Carpathians-Balkan E-L618 and some subcldes Near East E-M123 and North African E-L19 and E-M78 ( V22 and V65 )

Yes, but 5% is way more than other Central European populations score, it makes Hungarians stand out from their neighbors, and seems to contradict the often used belief that modern Hungarians have no more connections to the original Magyars genetically. Regarding R1a, yes, most of them are of the Slavic variety but I do remember seeing quite a few "Iranian-like" haplogroups too.

Thank you , yes 5% its way more in others countries in central and eastern europe
I have been seen see R-Z93 but is it bit , maybe trace Avars and huns ?

[Mythbuster General]

I wanted to create a thread where we can collectively post all the data that we have regarding Y-DNA distribution among various peoples of the world and make comparisons, have a discussion about them.
One of the most well-known ones is the one from Eupedia, but I see it was last updated in 2017 and I am aware it's not as representative with all populations they cover: https://www.eupedia.com/europe/european_...oups.shtml
For example I just collected 980 individual samples from Hungarians, which is the largest Y-DNA collection as of yet regarding them, and this is their distribution:
1. R-M420 (R1a): 28%
2. R-M343 (R1b): 18.5%
3. I-M438 (I2): 17%
4. E-M215 (E1b1b): 9%
5. I-M253 (I1): 7.5%
6. J-M172 (J2): 7.5%
7. G-M201: 4.5%
8. N-M231: 3.5%
9. Q-M242: 1.5%
10. J-M267 (J1): 0.5%
11. T-L206: 0.5%
12. L-M20: 0.5%
13. C-F3393 (C1): 0.5%

Thanks you 
Is seems to me effects peoples Huns and Hungarians is trace maybe only 5% ( N-M231 and Q-M242)
What is subclades under R1a i think mostly belong under subclass Slavic R-Z282 ?
for E1b1b-M35 is seems to me belong a subclades Carpathians-Balkan E-L618 and some subcldes Near East E-M123 and North African E-L19 and E-M78 ( V22 and V65 )

Yes, but 5% is way more than other Central European populations score, it makes Hungarians stand out from their neighbors, and seems to contradict the often used belief that modern Hungarians have no more connections to the original Magyars genetically. Regarding R1a, yes, most of them are of the Slavic variety but I do remember seeing quite a few "Iranian-like" haplogroups too.

Thank you , yes 5% its way more in others countries in central and eastern europe
I have been seen see R-Z93 but is it bit , maybe trace Avars and huns ?

Based on all the recent studies, R-Z93 was very prevalent among Hungarian Conquerors too, being also the haplogroup of the Árpád Dynasty. Hungarian Conquerors had significant Sarmatian-like ancestry since living in their steppe vicinity.

[Pylsteen]

Does your data include Hungarian jews or were they filtered out if possible? Some of the E and J branches as well as R1a-Z93>Y2619 and Q>Y2200 are quite common among them as well.

[Mythbuster General]

Does your data include Hungarian jews or were they filtered out if possible? Some of the E and J branches as well as R1a-Z93>Y2619 and Q>Y2200 are quite common among them as well.

I did try to filter them out, since Jewish Hungarians tend to be over represented on genetics tests compared to rest of Hungarians, but probably some Hungarians with partial Jewish, but also partial German, Slovak or other ancestry might appear in this database. Factually there isn't really any "pure" Hungarian, since most of us do have some other ethnic background too if we look into the area of our great-grandparents.

[Mythbuster General]

Are there any other previously collected datasets for other populations, which are an update and improvement to the Eupedia chart? Feel free to post them on this thread.

[Riverman]

There are regional samples from the German FTDNA project. Some regions are less reliable though, because the number of testers is pretty different from region to region, and of course most of the data comes from American emigrants, which can be not perfectly representative as well. But with this limitations in mind, the regional samples from the FTDNA group are among the best data sets I have seen for regional German ancestry.

Here is the link to the Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...602&type=3

For E-V13 the most interesting takeaway was that with the old data used, Bavarian Franconia and the Eifel region have by far the highest rate of E-V13, with still above average in areas like Hessen, Saarland and Silesia, while the actual South West and South East doesn't have such high numbers, the lowest obviously in the North West.

Especially the ratios of different haplogroups are particularly interesting (like I1 vs R1b, I1+R1b vs. R1a, E-V13 vs. J2b etc.). For example in Bavarian Franconia E-V13 exceeds R1a, which is an argument against a Slavic dispersal of the majority of it, if such results-ratios would hold with more data. At the same time its an argument against a Roman dispersal, because the frequency decreases in the direction of the Roman colonised areas.

[Mythbuster General]

There are regional samples from the German FTDNA project. Some regions are less reliable though, because the number of testers is pretty different from region to region, and of course most of the data comes from American emigrants, which can be not perfectly representative as well. But with this limitations in mind, the regional samples from the FTDNA group are among the best data sets I have seen for regional German ancestry.

Here is the link to the Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...602&type=3

For E-V13 the most interesting takeaway was that with the old data used, Bavarian Franconia and the Eifel region have by far the highest rate of E-V13, with still above average in areas like Hessen, Saarland and Silesia, while the actual South West and South East doesn't have such high numbers, the lowest obviously in the North West.

Especially the ratios of different haplogroups are particularly interesting (like I1 vs R1b, I1+R1b vs. R1a, E-V13 vs. J2b etc.). For example in Bavarian Franconia E-V13 exceeds R1a, which is an argument against a Slavic dispersal of the majority of it, if such results-ratios would hold with more data. At the same time its an argument against a Roman dispersal, because the frequency decreases in the direction of the Roman colonised areas.

I can't open the link. Would you care typing in these regional results, I'm very curious about Germans?

[Capsian20]

There are regional samples from the German FTDNA project. Some regions are less reliable though, because the number of testers is pretty different from region to region, and of course most of the data comes from American emigrants, which can be not perfectly representative as well. But with this limitations in mind, the regional samples from the FTDNA group are among the best data sets I have seen for regional German ancestry.

Here is the link to the Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...602&type=3

For E-V13 the most interesting takeaway was that with the old data used, Bavarian Franconia and the Eifel region have by far the highest rate of E-V13, with still above average in areas like Hessen, Saarland and Silesia, while the actual South West and South East doesn't have such high numbers, the lowest obviously in the North West.

Especially the ratios of different haplogroups are particularly interesting (like I1 vs R1b, I1+R1b vs. R1a, E-V13 vs. J2b etc.). For example in Bavarian Franconia E-V13 exceeds R1a, which is an argument against a Slavic dispersal of the majority of it, if such results-ratios would hold with more data. At the same time its an argument against a Roman dispersal, because the frequency decreases in the direction of the Roman colonised areas.

Sorry, this content isn't available right now ( link FB)

[Riverman]

There are regional samples from the German FTDNA project. Some regions are less reliable though, because the number of testers is pretty different from region to region, and of course most of the data comes from American emigrants, which can be not perfectly representative as well. But with this limitations in mind, the regional samples from the FTDNA group are among the best data sets I have seen for regional German ancestry.

Here is the link to the Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...602&type=3

For E-V13 the most interesting takeaway was that with the old data used, Bavarian Franconia and the Eifel region have by far the highest rate of E-V13, with still above average in areas like Hessen, Saarland and Silesia, while the actual South West and South East doesn't have such high numbers, the lowest obviously in the North West.

Especially the ratios of different haplogroups are particularly interesting (like I1 vs R1b, I1+R1b vs. R1a, E-V13 vs. J2b etc.). For example in Bavarian Franconia E-V13 exceeds R1a, which is an argument against a Slavic dispersal of the majority of it, if such results-ratios would hold with more data. At the same time its an argument against a Roman dispersal, because the frequency decreases in the direction of the Roman colonised areas.

I can't open the link. Would you care typing in these regional results, I'm very curious about Germans?

I think you have to be both a FB member and a member of the German FB group. It is really too much to repost and its also the work of the admin there, so I won't repost the whole material here, but I think its ok to post the overview for Germany as a whole in 1870:



https://ibb.co/ZxmW0dV

If you want to know results from a specific region and haplogroup, you can ask or probably try to join the project group on FB.

[Riverman]

Since I was asked about G and R-U152, here some short notes about what we can see in the pies:

Going by the pies he posted, G is highest in Southern Germany with about 9 %, rest is more intermediate (about 4-6) and the NW (4). Lowest in the East (2-3). Non-U106 R1b makes up more than a quarter in the South. Therefore I would associate both with Celts, obviously.

The peak for G is in Baden-Wuerttemberg and Switzerland, like expected. Most interesting: In Baden and Alsace G exceeds R-U152, whereas in most other areas its the opposite. Baden and Alsace are therefore peak regions for G, just like Eifel and Franconia are peak regions for E-V13. The latter is all the more astonishing, as these are for the Centre-South two separated regions. However, Hessen is in the middle and has a high percentage too, which kind of creates a belt for E-V13 from Eifel to Franconia. The G hotspot is more compact by comparison (Alsace-German Swiss, basically Allemannic speakers).

[NewEnglander]

There are regional samples from the German FTDNA project. Some regions are less reliable though, because the number of testers is pretty different from region to region, and of course most of the data comes from American emigrants, which can be not perfectly representative as well. But with this limitations in mind, the regional samples from the FTDNA group are among the best data sets I have seen for regional German ancestry.

Here is the link to the Facebook post:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=...602&type=3

For E-V13 the most interesting takeaway was that with the old data used, Bavarian Franconia and the Eifel region have by far the highest rate of E-V13, with still above average in areas like Hessen, Saarland and Silesia, while the actual South West and South East doesn't have such high numbers, the lowest obviously in the North West.

Especially the ratios of different haplogroups are particularly interesting (like I1 vs R1b, I1+R1b vs. R1a, E-V13 vs. J2b etc.). For example in Bavarian Franconia E-V13 exceeds R1a, which is an argument against a Slavic dispersal of the majority of it, if such results-ratios would hold with more data. At the same time its an argument against a Roman dispersal, because the frequency decreases in the direction of the Roman colonised areas.

I can't open the link. Would you care typing in these regional results, I'm very curious about Germans?

I think you have to be both a FB member and a member of the German FB group. It is really too much to repost and its also the work of the admin there, so I won't repost the whole material here, but I think its ok to post the overview for Germany as a whole in 1870:



https://ibb.co/ZxmW0dV

If you want to know results from a specific region and haplogroup, you can ask or probably try to join the project group on FB.

What does the general distribution of R-U106 look like?

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Since I was asked about G and R-U152, here some short notes about what we can see in the pies:

Going by the pies he posted, G is highest in Southern Germany with about 9 %, rest is more intermediate (about 4-6) and the NW (4). Lowest in the East (2-3). Non-U106 R1b makes up more than a quarter in the South. Therefore I would associate both with Celts, obviously.

The peak for G is in Baden-Wuerttemberg and Switzerland, like expected. Most interesting: In Baden and Alsace G exceeds R-U152, whereas in most other areas its the opposite. Baden and Alsace are therefore peak regions for G, just like Eifel and Franconia are peak regions for E-V13. The latter is all the more astonishing, as these are for the Centre-South two separated regions. However, Hessen is in the middle and has a high percentage too, which kind of creates a belt for E-V13 from Eifel to Franconia. The G hotspot is more compact by comparison (Alsace-German Swiss, basically Allemannic speakers).

EDIT: Nevermind