J2a main subclades and seldom early paragroups

[ChrisR]

Continuation of an AG thread. See
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...stimates/1
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/16295/seldom-terminal-clades-in-j2a-position-investigation/1
https://genarchivist.freeforums.net/thread/216/main-subclades-seldom-early-paragroups

Rottensteiner, C. (2016): J2 main subclades tree with time estimates based on YFull YTree v3.17. figshare.
https://doi.org/10.6084/m9.figshare.3364732.v2

11-24-2022 Unfinished/Unreviewed Update oldest and rare/interesting J2a haplogroups (FTDNA,YFull defining SNPs - YFull estimates):

• J2a2-PF5050,PF5008 is J-MF10470,Y182822 formed 17200 ybp, TMRCA 14400 ybp, Discover Time Tree, 7 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
  
• J2a-Z6049,Z6046>Y12610,Y12603(xSK1313,Y12379) formed 15000 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
  
• J2a2-PF5007,L581(xPF5058,Z37823) is J-Z39726 formed 15700 ybp, TMRCA 13600 ybp, 8 YFull IDs
  
• J2a-Z6048,Z6050>S15572(xS23560) formed 12600 ybp, TMRCA 12600 ybp, 1 YFull ID
  
• J2a-Z2222,PF5160(xL24,PF5197) is J-BY186179,Y166866 formed 15300 ybp, TMRCA 13000 ybp, 4 FTDNA subbranches, 5 YFull IDs
  
• J2a-PF5125,PF5116(xZ2227,Z2229,PF5119) is J-Z43684, Z43668 formed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 12400 ybp, two FTDNA subbranches, 2 YFull IDs
  
• J2a-Z6064-Z6064(xZ6061,Z6055) is J-PH4959,Z39762 formed 16000 ybp, TMRCA 12000 ybp, 12 FTDNA subbranches, 7 YFull IDs, one Hallast et al 2014
  
• J2a-Z7430,FGC23952/Y8998(xZ7403,YSC0000253) formed 13700 ybp, low-res Stoneking, Lippold et al 2014 sample and possibly one J2-STR67 result
  
• J2a-PF5172(xZ7314) formed 12800 ybp, three samples @yfull and one Hallast et al 2014, TMRCA 4000 ybp
  

For J2b I rely on Flor/Trojet and Hunter for updates

Interested in all Paragroups older then 7000 BC / 9000 ybp - see 46 Pre-Chalcolithic J-M172 main sub-haplogroups (focus 7000-8000 BC). If I have time I will also update the seldom terminal clades in J2a (position investigation) regarding rare and singular Y-STR Haplotypes.

[ltnultihaxer]

Not sure if this is the best place to post this but Hunter from Phylogeographer wrote a piece on my haplogroup J2a-M158. A lot of the samples that are referred to are from academic papers that are not on Y-Full/FTDNA.

https://phylogeographer.com/j2a-m158-of-...E0Mt0wnRWA

[ChrisR]

Not sure if this is the best place to post this but Hunter from Phylogeographer wrote a piece on my haplogroup J2a-M158. A lot of the samples that are referred to are from academic papers that are not on Y-Full/FTDNA.

https://phylogeographer.com/j2a-m158-of-...E0Mt0wnRWA

J2a-M158 by using the 46 Pre-Chalcolithic J-M172 main sub-haplogroups is under
J2a-CTS7683>L26>PF5088>PF5160>L24>Z393>L25>Z7700,F3133 ca. 8200 ybp with 476! subbranches in the current FTDNA Y-DNA Haplotree and ca. 11.8 % of the J2 subbranches, so by no means a seldom subclade but the most common of the 46 Pre-Chalcolithic J-M172 main sub-haplogroups!
For discussions about J2a-M158 please open a new thread or one about Z7700,F3133 subclades