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What do you got in Y-DNA and mtDNA in 23andME ?
#16
yDNA

I get L-M22. Which is correct, albeit a bit basal at forrmed 23100 ybp, TMRCA 18100 ybp. Still, good to find cousins from the Late Glacial Maximum. They then make the old mistake of describing it as South Asian. At first they insisted that my Grandad was Indian. I wouldn't have minded if he was, but no, a Norfolkman.

But that is much better than Living DNA who give me the entirely wrong haplogroup (J)! How can a company mix up L with downstream of J???

FTDNA Big Y reports it as L-M20>M22>M317>SK1412>SK1414>FGC51041>FGC51036 and a few.


mtDNA

23andme give me H6a1

FTDNA Full mito seq reports it as H6a1a8. Closer matches are mainly Irish and British Isles. I think that I recall a Bell Beaker sample from the Netherlands as being H6a1a? H6a1 certainly looks to be Steppe > Corded Ware > Bell Beaker, a sort of mtDNA sister of your west European yDNA Rs.

Living DNA was slightly better with H6a1a, but I cannot forgive their screw up with the yDNA.
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#17
(03-30-2024, 05:27 PM)East Anglian Wrote: yDNA

I get L-M22. Which is correct, albeit a bit basal at forrmed 23100 ybp, TMRCA 18100 ybp. Still, good to find cousins from the Late Glacial Maximum. They then make the old mistake of describing it as South Asian. At first they insisted that my Grandad was Indian. I wouldn't have minded if he was, but no, a Norfolkman.

But that is much better than Living DNA who give me the entirely wrong haplogroup (J)! How can a company mix up L with downstream of J???

FTDNA Big Y reports it as L-M20>M22>M317>SK1412>SK1414>FGC51041>FGC51036 and a few.


mtDNA

23andme give me H6a1

FTDNA Full mito seq reports it as H6a1a8. Closer matches are mainly Irish and British Isles. I think that I recall a Bell Beaker sample from the Netherlands as being H6a1a? H6a1 certainly looks to be Steppe > Corded Ware > Bell Beaker, a sort of mtDNA sister of your west European yDNA Rs.

Living DNA was slightly better with H6a1a, but I cannot forgive their screw up with the yDNA.

Yes there people are think Haplogroup L and H is indian origin ancestry but this false , there subclade under Hg L its Near Eastern and Central Asian and there subclade under Hg H is Near Eastern and European (H-P96)
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#18
(03-30-2024, 02:37 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(03-30-2024, 02:10 PM)muttgenes Wrote: Y Chromosome:
J-Z1828

MTDNA:
K1c1

I see your subclade J-Z1828 its Iranian-Caucasian , and Your mtDNA K1c1 its Eastern European

Yes, though I haven't done an deeper testing on my subclade. My paternal line came to the United States from Luxembourg/Saarland before my great grandfather was adopted. My maternal line came to the United States from Moldova.
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AncestryDNA: 36.65% England & Northwestern Europe + 27.88% Sweden & Denmark + 9.17% Norway + 1.33% Ireland + 0.82% Nigeria - East Central + 0.41% Romani + 0.15% North Africa

23&ME: 82.5% French & German + 7.0% Scandinavian + 5.7% British & Irish + 2.9% Broadly Northwestern European + 0.5% Eastern European + 0.9% Nigerian + 0.2% North African + 0.1% Siberian + 0.2% Unassigned
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#19
yDNA

23andMe: R-L365
BigY: R-FT2484 (new branch, waiting for terminal location), several steps down of L365

mtDNA

23andMe: H1c3
MtDNA: H1c3b
YFull: H1c3b1 (new branch, waiting for terminal location)
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yDNA: Pomerania, 1854
mtDNA: Bagneux, Indre, Centre-Val de Loire, France (grandma born Bagneux 1927, 6x great grandma born Bagneux 1769)
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#20
I haven't done that DNA test, but I'd like to participate xd

Y-SEQ predicted E-PF2546 so the Y-DNA in 23andMe would be E-M183.
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 87.4% Indigenous in Mexico and 12.6% Spanish, Catalan & Basque 

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(04-01-2024, 07:17 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: I haven't done that DNA test, but I'd like to participate xd

Y-SEQ predicted E-PF2546 so the Y-DNA in 23andMe would be E-M183.

You should to WGS , but possible you are E-Z5009 < Z5013 ?
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#22
(04-01-2024, 08:14 AM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 07:17 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: I haven't done that DNA test, but I'd like to participate xd

Y-SEQ predicted E-PF2546 so the Y-DNA in 23andMe would be E-M183.

You should to WGS , but possible you are E-Z5009 < Z5013 ?

Yeah, I planning to buy a WGS too, but all in time lol btw considering the name, does it mean that it give your full sequence of Y-DNA and mtDNA like the ones provided by FTDNA (Big Y-700) right?

Interesting bro, Why do you think I would be under such specific sub-clades E-Z5009 < Z5013?
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 87.4% Indigenous in Mexico and 12.6% Spanish, Catalan & Basque 

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#23
(04-01-2024, 12:26 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 08:14 AM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 07:17 AM)Jalisciense Wrote: I haven't done that DNA test, but I'd like to participate xd

Y-SEQ predicted E-PF2546 so the Y-DNA in 23andMe would be E-M183.

You should to WGS , but possible you are E-Z5009 < Z5013 ?

Yeah, I planning to buy a WGS too, but all in time lol btw considering the name, does it mean that it give your full sequence of Y-DNA and mtDNA like the ones provided by FTDNA (Big Y-700) right?

Interesting bro, Why do you think I would be under such specific sub-clades E-Z5009 < Z5013?

WGS is good than Y-Big700 because you can know your finally terminal Y-SNP and mt-DNA as well and Autosomal and also file Healthy
No im not sure if you are Z5013 or not , i only guess 
but Y-Big700 (FTDNA)i think is good only in data 
but Y-Big700 is more expensive 399$ or more if you don't have any test Y-STR 
WGS 299~400$ ( Y-Big and mtfull and Autosomal)
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#24
(04-01-2024, 12:38 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 12:26 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 08:14 AM)Capsian20 Wrote: You should to WGS , but possible you are E-Z5009 < Z5013 ?

Yeah, I planning to buy a WGS too, but all in time lol btw considering the name, does it mean that it give your full sequence of Y-DNA and mtDNA like the ones provided by FTDNA (Big Y-700) right?

Interesting bro, Why do you think I would be under such specific sub-clades E-Z5009 < Z5013?

WGS is good than Y-Big700 because you can know your finally terminal Y-SNP and mt-DNA as well and Autosomal and also file Healthy
No im not sure if you are Z5013 or not , i only guess 
but Y-Big700 (FTDNA)i think is good only in data 
but Y-Big700 is more expensive 399$ or more if you don't have any test Y-STR 
WGS 299~400$ ( Y-Big and mtfull and Autosomal)

I thought you wrote them because there was a historical reason for those sub-clades or that they had higher incidences lol

About the WGS then 400$ by 3 services + health report is even cheap, I googled and I found like 3 different WGS, which one would you recommend? Which is the best one out of the market?
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 87.4% Indigenous in Mexico and 12.6% Spanish, Catalan & Basque 

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#25
(04-01-2024, 01:15 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 12:38 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 12:26 PM)Jalisciense Wrote: Yeah, I planning to buy a WGS too, but all in time lol btw considering the name, does it mean that it give your full sequence of Y-DNA and mtDNA like the ones provided by FTDNA (Big Y-700) right?

Interesting bro, Why do you think I would be under such specific sub-clades E-Z5009 < Z5013?

WGS is good than Y-Big700 because you can know your finally terminal Y-SNP and mt-DNA as well and Autosomal and also file Healthy
No im not sure if you are Z5013 or not , i only guess 
but Y-Big700 (FTDNA)i think is good only in data 
but Y-Big700 is more expensive 399$ or more if you don't have any test Y-STR 
WGS 299~400$ ( Y-Big and mtfull and Autosomal)

I thought you wrote them because there was a historical reason for those sub-clades or that they had higher incidences lol

About the WGS then 400$ by 3 services + health report is even cheap, I googled and I found like 3 different WGS, which one would you recommend? Which is the best one out of the market?

i advise you to doing WGS in  (Nebula) or ( YSEQ) , I think aren't any discount in (DanteLabs) yet
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#26
(04-01-2024, 01:22 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 01:15 PM)Jalisciense Wrote:
(04-01-2024, 12:38 PM)Capsian20 Wrote: WGS is good than Y-Big700 because you can know your finally terminal Y-SNP and mt-DNA as well and Autosomal and also file Healthy
No im not sure if you are Z5013 or not , i only guess 
but Y-Big700 (FTDNA)i think is good only in data 
but Y-Big700 is more expensive 399$ or more if you don't have any test Y-STR 
WGS 299~400$ ( Y-Big and mtfull and Autosomal)

I thought you wrote them because there was a historical reason for those sub-clades or that they had higher incidences lol

About the WGS then 400$ by 3 services + health report is even cheap, I googled and I found like 3 different WGS, which one would you recommend? Which is the best one out of the market?

i advise you to doing WGS in  (Nebula) or ( YSEQ) , I think aren't any discount in (DanteLabs) yet

Ok, thanks; I'll keep it in mind then.
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23andMe: 55.5% European, 33.7% Indigenous American, 4.2% WANA, 3.4% SSA and 3.2% Unassigned
AncestryDNA: 57.27% Europe, 35.81% Indigenous Americas-Mexico, 3.46% MENA and 3.45% SSA
FamilyTreeDNA: 56.9% Europe, 33% Americas, 8.2% MENA, <2% Horn of Africa and <1% Eastern India
Living DNA: 63.3% West Iberia, 34.3% Native Americas and 2.3% Yorubaland
MyHeritage DNA: 87.4% Indigenous in Mexico and 12.6% Spanish, Catalan & Basque 

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#27
Y-DNA: I-L22

This always makes me chuckle;

1 in 110,000
23andMe customers share your haplogroup assignment.

Though my particular branch is quite an unusual one i think, still haven't found any close relatives, and i'm the only one on our branch (lots of private mutations).

MtDNA: U5a1b

1 in 270
23andMe customers share your haplogroup assignment.
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#28
23andMe gave me a very broad mtdna: H1 (1 in 19 customers).

My dad's mtdna: M1a1b (1 in 4,000 customers) and y-dna: I-Y11261 (1 in 2,200 customers). My uncle who took the test years ago and is on an earlier chip has an older y-dna assignment: I-P78 (1 in 8,800 customers).
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(04-06-2024, 03:35 PM)DeParis Wrote: 23andMe gave me a very broad mtdna: H1 (1 in 19 customers).

My dad's mtdna: M1a1b (1 in 4,000 customers) and y-dna: I-Y11261 (1 in 2,200 customers). My uncle who took the test years ago and is on an earlier chip has an older y-dna assignment: I-P78 (1 in 8,800 customers).

Your dad has mtDNA North African origin , your grandmother's root paternal where her origin ?
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Target: CapsianWGS_scaled
Distance: 1.2510% / 0.01251049
37.2 Iberomaurusian
36.8 Early_European_Farmer
12.8 Early_Levantine_Farmer
8.0 Steppe_Pastoralist
4.8 SSA
0.4 Iran_Neolithic
FTDNA : 91% North Africa +<2% Bedouin + <2  Southern-Levantinfo + <1 Sephardic Jewish + 3% Malta +  3%  Iberian Peninsula
23andME :  100% North Africa

WGS ( Y-DNA and mtDNA)
Y-DNA: E-A30032< A30480 ~1610 CE
mtDNA: V25b 800CE ? ( age mtDNA not accurate )
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#30
(04-06-2024, 04:38 PM)Capsian20 Wrote:
(04-06-2024, 03:35 PM)DeParis Wrote: 23andMe gave me a very broad mtdna: H1 (1 in 19 customers).

My dad's mtdna: M1a1b (1 in 4,000 customers) and y-dna: I-Y11261 (1 in 2,200 customers). My uncle who took the test years ago and is on an earlier chip has an older y-dna assignment: I-P78 (1 in 8,800 customers).

Your dad has mtDNA North African origin , your grandmother's root paternal where her origin ?

My dad's maternal side is German Jewish. Earliest traceable ancestor on his direct maternal line was born in Baden-Württemberg in 1780.

My understanding is that his fully sequenced mtdna would almost certainly be M1a1b1c, which is a minor recurrent haplogroup found in Ashkenazi Jews from Germany and Poland.
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