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(10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
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(10-22-2023, 02:11 PM)Anglesqueville Wrote: (10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
I have only processed the ones released couple of days ago. Somebody else has done the rest of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YsXFbQX...sp=sharing
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(10-22-2023, 12:38 PM)VladMC Wrote: Target: Russia_EIA_ Late_Kargopol_culture:NEO538
Distance: 3.0546% / 0.03054642
42.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
25.0 RUS_Fatyanovo_BA:I20784
19.6 Russia_EBA_Sakhtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO187
7.6 Baltic_EST_BA19_X15_2
4.8 Russia_En_Sakjtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO188
0.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA:I0942
I'm slightly confused as this fellow looks like modern Mansi,- or something pretty similar. However, this sample might be connected to those Mansi like toponymes which have been found even in the areas West of Syktyvkar, along river Vytsegda. Vologda area is connected to that area by the river Sukhona, so it might be possible that some western mansi group reached even the Minino area? I hope Jaska is willing to give a comment on this one.
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(10-22-2023, 06:22 PM)Queequeg Wrote: (10-22-2023, 12:38 PM)VladMC Wrote: Target: Russia_EIA_ Late_Kargopol_culture:NEO538
Distance: 3.0546% / 0.03054642
42.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
25.0 RUS_Fatyanovo_BA:I20784
19.6 Russia_EBA_Sakhtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO187
7.6 Baltic_EST_BA19_X15_2
4.8 Russia_En_Sakjtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO188
0.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA:I0942
I'm slightly confused as this fellow looks like modern Mansi,- or something pretty similar. However, this sample might be connected to those Mansi like toponymes which have been found even in the areas West of Syktyvkar, along river Vytsegda. Vologda area is connected to that area by the river Sukhona, so it might be possible that some western mansi group reached even the Minino area? I hope Jaska is willing to give a comment on this one.
Since NEO538 doesn't have any proper cultural affiliation, it may be helpful to consider the broader cultural landscape around Vologda (6th-3rd centuries BC). Here we can see that ceramic materials correspond to (post-) Textile ware, Vyatka-Vetluga variant of Ananyino and hybrid forms.
https://i.imgur.com/aEnYZxh.jpeg
https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/kultur...eznom-veke
NEO538 may, or may not have any unique connection to modern Mansi. It could just be general genetic relatedness between populations in the forest-zone across space and time.
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(10-22-2023, 07:17 PM)Zelto Wrote: (10-22-2023, 06:22 PM)Queequeg Wrote: (10-22-2023, 12:38 PM)VladMC Wrote: Target: Russia_EIA_ Late_Kargopol_culture:NEO538
Distance: 3.0546% / 0.03054642
42.4 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_BA:kra001
25.0 RUS_Fatyanovo_BA:I20784
19.6 Russia_EBA_Sakhtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO187
7.6 Baltic_EST_BA19_X15_2
4.8 Russia_En_Sakjtish_IIa_Volosovo:NEO188
0.6 RUS_Sintashta_MLBA:I0942
I'm slightly confused as this fellow looks like modern Mansi,- or something pretty similar. However, this sample might be connected to those Mansi like toponymes which have been found even in the areas West of Syktyvkar, along river Vytsegda. Vologda area is connected to that area by the river Sukhona, so it might be possible that some western mansi group reached even the Minino area? I hope Jaska is willing to give a comment on this one.
Since NEO538 doesn't have any proper cultural affiliation, it may be helpful to consider the broader cultural landscape around Vologda (6th-3rd centuries BC). Here we can see that ceramic materials correspond to (post-) Textile ware, Vyatka-Vetluga variant of Ananyino and hybrid forms.
https://i.imgur.com/aEnYZxh.jpeg
https://cyberleninka.ru/article/n/kultur...eznom-veke
NEO538 may, or may not have any unique connection to modern Mansi. It could just be general genetic relatedness between populations in the forest-zone across space and time.
His Iron Age-Roman and modern similarity map:
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Also interesting sample from Dnipro with a certain BS drift:
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(10-22-2023, 02:11 PM)Anglesqueville Wrote: (10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
Do you have a fam file with individual names?
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(10-22-2023, 09:42 PM)Chad Wrote: (10-22-2023, 02:11 PM)Anglesqueville Wrote: (10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
Do you have a fam file with individual names?
Not a fam file, but you could easily create one from the details. Note, there are multiple tabs. This is one of the supplemental files from the research.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/...nload=true
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(10-23-2023, 12:04 AM)AimSmall Wrote: (10-22-2023, 09:42 PM)Chad Wrote: (10-22-2023, 02:11 PM)Anglesqueville Wrote: (10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
Do you have a fam file with individual names?
Not a fam file, but you could easily create one from the details. Note, there are multiple tabs. This is one of the supplemental files from the research.
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/...nload=true Yeah, I did that. I noticed I'm missing a few off the spreadsheet. Was there a release between this one and the first, or are we waiting on more?
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(10-22-2023, 08:59 PM)ph2ter Wrote: His Iron Age-Roman and modern similarity map:
Many thanks ph2ter, beautiful maps!
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(10-22-2023, 09:38 PM)ph2ter Wrote: Also interesting sample from Dnipro with a certain BS drift:
(10-22-2023, 09:42 PM)Chad Wrote: (10-22-2023, 02:11 PM)Anglesqueville Wrote: (10-22-2023, 01:53 PM)teepean Wrote: Here's all of them.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1-pHAqMP...sp=sharing
Could you share a link to the PLINK file?
Do you have a fam file with individual names?
Only these https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YsXFbQX...sp=sharing
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10-23-2023, 07:21 PM
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For those who want to have fun studying PCA ( the last batch of NEO samples is in bold blue, modern populations in dark pink, BS drift as bubble' sizes, etc):
link to PCA with better resolution
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I don't think NEO 538 has Fatyanovo ancestry, but western CW-derived ancestry
Parallel evidence from Peltolta et al
'' The best-fitting models indicated that VolgaOka_IA shared approximately half of its ancestry with a population related to Baltic Iron Age individuals (800 BCE–50 CE), and 25% of its ancestry related to Russia_Kola_BA and 25% to Iron Age Steppe (Figure 3B; Data S3B). Thus, the Volga-Oka interfluve appears to have been at the crossroads of gene flow from several directions, although we do note that the proximal origin of these components in the Suzdal Iron Age gene pool may lie elsewhere. Interestingly, Fatyanovo did not provide a feasible ancestry source for VolgaOka_IA in any of the tested models''
This supports my contention that there was turnover, emigration or extinction of Fatyanovo in western Russia, most likely by 2200 bc, and replacement by para-north IE groups from the west and proto-Fino-Uralic Yakutia_LN groups, after what could be 500-700 year settlement hiatus in at least some vastness of the Forest belt
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