Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[ArmandoR1b]

BY12063 is defined by P15. See https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna...n=variants

P15 was used initially for G2a. It is a recurrent SNP but also used for R-BY12063.

[Riverman]

Odd.  Some countries total actually went down.  Unless I made an error China went from 1801 to 1008.  India went from 1567 to 1291, Kazakhstan 562 to 520, Mongolia 467 to 445, and Japan 516 to 488, Colombia 445 to 245, Cameroon 250 to 230, Pakistan 441 to 217, Sri Lanka 192 to 139, Nigeria 318 to 127, Peru 120 to 106, Benin 92 to 89.  Barbados 93 to 64.

I think I know what's going on with those numbers.  I was using 2 different sources

Here in Discover, https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna...view=table

China is currently 1,918

But on the Haplotree country report https://www.familytreedna.com/public/y-dna-haplotree/A
China  is 1,008

I believe the discover tree is using extra sources beyond those that actually tested at FTDNA e.g. ancient samples and public studies.

It's very noticeable when you compare Italy (Sardinia)
Discover = 1214
Haplotree = 4

The overall present totals
Discover = 563,345
Haplotree = 560,878

I'd wish they would include more modern samples too, especially from so far undersampled regions. But after the Sardinian and Turkish papers, not that much was done in this direction.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

A little bit of a U152 tangent, but when you look at the Discover numbers for Mediterranean Spain (Andalusia, Catalonia, Balearic Islands), 10% are U152 (9 out of 90 samples), which is above average.  By comparison, overall Spain is only 3% U152.

Only 4 countries have over 10% U152 (Luxembourg, Switzerland, France, and Italy).

Also, just across from the Balearic Islands, Corsica and Sardinia are also high (above 10%) in U152.  From another study on Corsica, 110 of 321 samples (34%) were U152, and FTDNA has Sardinia at 11% U152.

Would be interesting to explore why there is  an above average amount of U152 in this West Med area. Lingurians?
"In pre-Roman times, the Ligurians occupied the present-day Italian region of Liguria, Piedmont, northern Tuscany, western Lombardy, western Emilia-Romagna and northern Sardinia, reaching also Elba and Sicily.[2][3] They inhabited also the French region of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur and Corsica.[4][5][6][7] However, it is generally believed that around 2000 BC, the Ligurians occupied a much larger area, extenting as far as what today is Catalonia"

[Riverman]

A little bit of a U152 tangent, but when you look at the Discover numbers for Mediterranean Spain (Andalusia, Catalonia, Balearic Islands), 10% are U152 (9 out of 90 samples), which is above average.  By comparison, overall Spain is only 3% U152. 

Only 4 countries have over 10% U152 (Luxembourg, Switzerland, France, and Italy).

Also, just across from the Balearic Islands, Corsica and Sardinia are also high (above 10%) in U152.  From another study on Corsica, 110 of 321 samples (34%) were U152, and FTDNA has Sardinia at 11% U152.

Would be interesting to explore why there is  an above average amount of U152 in this West Med area.  Lingurians?
"In pre-Roman times, the Ligurians occupied the present-day Italian region of Liguria, Piedmont, northern Tuscany, western Lombardy, western Emilia-Romagna and northern Sardinia, reaching also Elba and Sicily.[2][3] They inhabited also the French region of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur and Corsica.[4][5][6][7] However, it is generally believed that around 2000 BC, the Ligurians occupied a much larger area, extenting as far as what today is Catalonia"

The reason must be a higher level of relative Isolation compared to the Celtic and Italic tribes nearby, around the Alps, which surely got even more.

[rmstevens2]

In one of the projects I admin, I saw 4 Family Finder kits from mid-2015 get updated today.

Two others are R-L151, which is pretty shallow.  They did test neg for U106 so it's likely they would be P312.

I had announced several times in this thread that R-DF27 people were getting the R-L151 assignment with v2. Of course v1 is not going to be as good as v2 since they added SNPs to the ISOGG tree before v2 was created so some of those were added to v2. R-L21 and R-U152 are almost definitely tested in v1 but just like v2 they aren't providing the negative results. DF27, U152, and L21 are the three big subclades of P312. So most R-L151 would actually be R-DF27 if they had tested for Z195 and ZZ12_1 in both v2 and v1.

I read your post earlier and then just now I happened to be looking at the project I administer for my mother's maiden surname. One of the two largest groups in the project (but not my maternal grandfather's group) is universally R1b-FGC48998, well downstream of DF27 and DF83. That's been proven by a number of Big Y-700 tests within the group.

Anyway, one of the guys in that group just got an R-L151 haplogroup assignment, and there's no doubt that if he was Big Y tested he would get at least as far as FGC48998.

[ArmandoR1b]

A slight correction on my comment that I had announced several times in this thread that R-DF27 people were getting the R-L151 assignment with v2. Of course v1 is not going to be as good as v2 since they added SNPs to the ISOGG tree before v2 was created so some of those were added to v2. R-L21 and R-U152 are almost definitely tested in v1 but just like v2 they aren't providing the negative results. DF27, U152, and L21 are the three big subclades of P312. So most R-L151 would actually be R-DF27 if they had tested for Z195 and ZZ12_1 in both v2 and v1.

FF v2 did test for Z195 but not ZZ12_1. So although most R-L151 would actually be R-DF27 if they had tested for and ZZ12_1 they would be derived for ZZ12_1 which is a subclade of R_DF27. I correctly stated that prior to the last comment but writing that comment in rush caused me incorrectly add Z195.

It is extremely doubtful that Z195 is included in FF v1 though. FF was introduced in May 2010 and Z195 wasn't added to the ISOGG tree until 17 August 2012 https://isogg.org/tree/2012/ISOGG_HapgrpR12.html

There should be evidence soon.

[Riverman]

The good times for FF assignment are over, because as I have read on FB, some of the newest assignments are so bad, they fall below the STR predicted position!
Therefore the next best wave of new results might be with MyHeritage uploads, which should be on average as good or better. For those from genuien FF tests, we will get just very, very broad prections from now on, unless they are new testers.

[ArmandoR1b]

The good times for FF assignment are over, because as I have read on FB, some of the newest assignments are so bad, they fall below the STR predicted position!
Therefore the next best wave of new results might be with MyHeritage uploads, which should be on average as good or better. For those from genuien FF tests, we will get just very, very broad prections from now on, unless they are new testers.

I still prefer R-L151 for my R-DF27 brethren over R-M269. So good times are not over for everyone!

edit: Additionally, U106 is tested by FF v1. If L21 and U152 are tested by v1, which I assume they are, then it leaves R-DF27 as the most likely result

[Riverman]

The good times for FF assignment are over, because as I have read on FB, some of the newest assignments are so bad, they fall below the STR predicted position!
Therefore the next best wave of new results might be with MyHeritage uploads, which should be on average as good or better. For those from genuien FF tests, we will get just very, very broad prections from now on, unless they are new testers.

I still prefer R-L151 for my R-DF27 brethren over R-M269. So good times are not over for everyone!

edit: Additionally, U106 is tested by FF v1. If L21 and U152 are tested by v1, which I assume they are, then it leaves R-DF27 as the most likely result

That's good indeed. Among my wider paternal kin (not direct patrililnear though, just fathers side), R-U106 and R-U152 are the most common haplogroups. Its just too few are on FTDNA, unfortunately, most tested on Ancestry, 23andMe and MyHeritage, with the best I can hope for is a transfer or prediction by tools for the non-23andMe guys.

[rmstevens2]

I'm still waiting for the Family Finder Y-DNA haplogroup assignment for a man with my surname who I know for a fact did not do the Family Finder test until after 27 March 2021, because I'm the one who recruited him for testing with FTDNA. I've mentioned this guy before. He was supposed to order a Y-37 but ended up ordering Family Finder. 

Since I am tired of waiting, I sent FTDNA a query about this overdue Y-DNA haplogroup assignment. Probably this man is not related to me on my Y-chromosome line, but I'd like to know, one way or the other.

[rmstevens2]

In one of the projects I admin, I saw 4 Family Finder kits from mid-2015 get updated today.

Two others are R-L151, which is pretty shallow.  They did test neg for U106 so it's likely they would be P312.

I had announced several times in this thread that R-DF27 people were getting the R-L151 assignment with v2. Of course v1 is not going to be as good as v2 since they added SNPs to the ISOGG tree before v2 was created so some of those were added to v2. R-L21 and R-U152 are almost definitely tested in v1 but just like v2 they aren't providing the negative results. DF27, U152, and L21 are the three big subclades of P312. So most R-L151 would actually be R-DF27 if they had tested for Z195 and ZZ12_1 in both v2 and v1.

I read your post earlier and then just now I happened to be looking at the project I administer for my mother's maiden surname. One of the two largest groups in the project (but not my maternal grandfather's group) is universally R1b-FGC48998, well downstream of DF27 and DF83. That's been proven by a number of Big Y-700 tests within the group.

Anyway, one of the guys in that group just got an R-L151 haplogroup assignment, and there's no doubt that if he was Big Y tested he would get at least as far as FGC48998.

Another guy in that same group just got an R-L151 result.

[ArmandoR1b]

Another guy in that same group just got an R-L151 result.

That's because they are tested for specific SNPs and nothing else. So all DF27>ZZ12_1 testers will be R-L151 with FF v1.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Guess I spoke too soon.  Things have come to a grinding halt after my last update.  Still haven’t moved past 540,000

Things are moving again.  Up 12k.  Now 552,007

New total 560,881

A little bit of a jump over night to 564,977

[ArmandoR1b]

I was hoping that they would be done by now.

Another haplogroup that I am interested in is Q-M3 and that is tested by FF v1 so that's great news for me.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Anybody heard anything new about where we are in the process? Is it done or do we still have more to go? My last guess was that we would have another 50-60K to go.