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Locating Pre Proto Uralic
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(11-27-2023, 09:16 AM)Parastais Wrote: My bet is origins in Siberia (next to [one of?] big Siberian rivers due to Uralic mythology) geographically, Yakutia_LNBA autosomally and N paternally.

European side was Paleo-Northern-Euro languages (phonotactic features unfamiliar to the Uralic languages as per Jaska) to the North and Indo-European languages (Fatyanovo, Balanovo) to the relative South.

We have cultural (Siberian mythology), genetic (Yakutia_LNBA), archeological (paralels to I think Krotovo culture) impulse from the East into Central Uralic region. So, I bet that impulse also brought Pre-Uralic into Central Urals where in time it developed Proto-Uralic. Some part of them stayed nearby in Siberian side (future Samoyeds), did not participate in first Indo-Iranian loanwords but then got back into circulation for later Indo-Iranian loanwords and East Uralic phonetic changes.

I believe Occam is firmly on my side Tongue

This is possible. Apparently the Ural-Eskimo or Ural-Yukaghir hypotheses could agree with the Yakutia _LNBA origin of Pre-Proto-Uralic:

"The first turnover occurred with the appearance of the Syalakh-Belkachi population (~6.8-6.2kya, with ~20% admixture from an East Asian source from the Baikal region admixing into the preceding MiddleVitim_Dzhilinda1_M_N_8.4kya). This was followed by a second turnover with the appearance of the Ymyyakhtakh-associated Yakutia_LNBA population (~4.5- 282 3.2kya, with ~50% admixture from Transbaikal_EMN admixing into the preceding Syalakh-Belkachi 283 population). - -
...such Paleo-Eskimo-related ancestry (which is by extension Syalakh-Belkachi-related) then persisted into all later ancient and present-day groups such as Eskimo-Aleuts, Chukotko-Kamchatkans and Yukaghirs on both sides of the Bering Straits." (Zeng et al. 2023)
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Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-25-2023, 11:17 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-26-2023, 08:14 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-26-2023, 03:30 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-26-2023, 05:47 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Psynome - 11-26-2023, 10:33 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-27-2023, 05:46 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Ebizur - 11-27-2023, 12:52 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-27-2023, 02:56 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Parastais - 11-27-2023, 09:16 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-27-2023, 11:00 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 11-27-2023, 12:46 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Ebizur - 11-28-2023, 12:21 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-28-2023, 02:04 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Ebizur - 11-28-2023, 07:29 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-28-2023, 02:14 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-28-2023, 08:14 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 11-29-2023, 09:30 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 11-29-2023, 03:24 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Psynome - 11-29-2023, 05:39 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 11-29-2023, 07:19 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-30-2023, 02:12 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 11-30-2023, 03:21 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 11-30-2023, 03:40 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 12-04-2023, 07:20 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Ebizur - 12-04-2023, 09:17 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by HSFallen - 12-20-2023, 05:59 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 12-04-2023, 10:41 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 12-04-2023, 11:00 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Jaska - 12-04-2023, 05:40 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 12-04-2023, 10:16 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 12-04-2023, 11:43 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 12-05-2023, 06:25 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by ph2ter - 12-05-2023, 07:17 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Kaltmeister - 12-13-2023, 02:15 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Quint - 12-17-2023, 10:00 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 12-18-2023, 05:07 AM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by HSFallen - 12-20-2023, 05:17 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by HSFallen - 12-23-2023, 01:28 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by CLTVTE - 02-11-2024, 08:34 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by heraultr - 01-04-2024, 05:56 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Parastais - 01-04-2024, 09:00 PM
RE: Locating Pre Proto Uralic - by Queequeg - 05-12-2024, 07:58 AM

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