E-V13 - Theories on its Origin and New Data

[Riverman]

We don't have the G25 coordinates of all the E-V13 samples. And the Himerans are not that far removed but clearly a diffrent people, since how many IA Croatian-like E-V13 do we have? And there we get 3 in Himera? Not by chance.

That's just the gradient from the Northern ot the South Eastern Balkans. I wonder what your arguments will be once we get Basarabi samples...

This is exactly what I replied to you here: https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?...274#pid274 in relation to the supposed "Carpath-Balkan" cline.

Hence you didn't post an argument which is opposed to what I've written. I didn't claim that the E-V13 from Himera necessarily come from IA Croatia but that they likely come from somewhere in the west-central Balkans which is exactly what the argument that this is "just the gradient from the Northern to the South Eastern Balkans" highlights. This is not a counter-argument to what I wrote, it's an affirmation that they come from the Balkans.

I don't know what the Basarabi samples from its core area (Wallachia) will look like but I certainly look forward to it. I think that they'll be substantially differentiated from Balkan profiles, especially if they are related to any of the proposed ancestral archaeological cultures of the LBA (including Gava-Holihrady)

Why so? You simply can draw a line from:
Kyjatice/Western fringe Gáva -> Mezocsat-Gáva -> Vekerzug-Chotin -> Himera -> La Tene outlier-Moldova Scy197 -> post-Psenichevo-Svilengrad & Co.

If we would get Greco-Thracian and Anatolian Thracian samples, they likely would continue the trend towards the South East.

A superficial similarity won't prove a lot. If you read what I wrote before, even Nyirseg is a culture with Vucedol-Cotofeni influences. The West Pannonian ancestors of Encrusted Pottery were differentiated, so were the East Carpathian groups. Its possible that core Gáva had even less WHG than say Mezocsat-Gáva, which are from a Western fringe zone, or the Vekerzug-Chotin individual. We don't know without their remains being tested.

But even if they were like Mezocsat-Gáva, surely not more Kyjatice shifted, the line can be drawn.