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About Proto-Germanic
(10-28-2023, 01:49 PM)alanarchae Wrote: one issue I have is this. The proto node of any language basically dates the last moment before divergence , usually viewed as a big kind the big bang from a single small area with geographical movement out from that point seen as the driver of divergence. Buuuut…

That's why an over-simplistic utilization of the splitting Family Tree model is probelmatic. It often doesnt take into account ongoing contacct, koinization, dialect levelling (e.g. in proto-Germanic where there appear to have two flows of late PIE converging in Jutland from different directions). 
I will always laugh when I see Don Ringe's reconstructions showing proto-Germanic close to proto-Albanian. 
And given the lack of agreeableness amongst how linguists proposed internal family branching within IE, one can only conclude that linguistics is impotent to such matters.
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