06-23-2024, 03:21 PM
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"I was recently gifted Evgenij N. Chernykh's most recent book Nomadic Cultures in the Mega-Structure of the Eurasian World (2017). The scope of this book is massive but I have just finished reading his chapter focusing on Seima-Turbino. Because Chernykh has been a premier archeologist on this subject for over thirty years, I decided to share what I've read.
- The first clear example of an aggressive east-west migration "forerunners of Genghis Khan".
- Chance finds in an expanse of up to 4 million km², from the Baltic/Lower Dniester to Central China. There is an inexplicably small number of finds throughout this area. Finds are primarily weapons, flint spearheads, metal jewelry, sculptures and in larger assemblages, nephrite "bracelets" or disks.
- ST "cemeteries" rarely contain burial pits, and when they do, they often don't contain human remains. When human remains are present, they are usually burned beyond usefulness to anthropologists. "Memorial sanctuary" or "altar" is sometimes used to denote similar sites.
- "Transcultural Phenomenon" is used because Seima-Turbino assemblages appear across cultural boundaries and within synchronous cultural landscapes
- Why have no proto-types of ST artifacts been found in this area? Chernykh attributes this to the "Mongolian syndrome". The early ST groups may not have deposited their goods in a way that preserved them over time. Similar to the 13th century Mongols, who left little archeological trace. ST could have altered their belief system after encountering other populations."
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Chernykh is hopelessly outdated. His association with Genghis Khan is categorically incorrect, he was simply mistaken with this invention, categorically mistaken. Yes, things were moving from Altai towards the Urals, but this was in no way connected with any wars, with any conquests, with any seizures of territories and resettlement, in general with nothing that Chernykh imagined for himself, it was purely connected with trade from Altai to the Urals. There was no Mongolian syndrome; it was simply an invention of Chernykh personally, which has now been completely refuted.
All these data perfectly explain one cultural phenomenon of this phenomenon - this is the fact that the Seima-Turbino residents almost do not contain real burials, all their burials are cenotaphs, and where there are burials, like in Rostovka, the locals mocked the corpses (however, Rostovka is practically the only place burials of social-t. with corpses). The answer turns out to be simple and very banal - as you know, cenotaphs are made where a warrior died in one place, but he lives in another place and there is no way to deliver his body, especially for sailors who died at sea. So, all the Seima-Turbino residents were strangers everywhere, they were hated and feared, so they did not die where they lived, but they lived in very different places and far from each other, and either their graves were dug out where they lived or, on the contrary, they were dug out for them. for ritual purposes, where they died, and the body was sent to their homeland, but where they were still buried, the locals mocked them because they were afraid of them during their lifetime.
Only one N1a probably died where he lived, he was a local from the local Samus culture, he simply lived in Rostovka, and was buried where he lived, he has no attributes associated with Seima-Turbino.
Jaska learn to read, you repeat what is written and it is pointless to answer you, because you are simply repeating answers that have already been written.
It is clearly said that the Sintashta people came to the Urals for any bronze; tin bronze was not yet known in Europe at that time; it became known only after the arrival of Sintashta in the Trans-Urals. Therefore, Sintashta belongs to MLBA, the letter L means that it was at this time that they began to use tin bronze, before that only arsenic bronze was used, which is what the letter M means. Andronovo culture is already entirely LBA.
What you write is not obvious, but counter-evident. There is nothing in common between Fatyanovo culture and Sintashta, no continuity. Fatyanovo is R1a-Z93*, R1a-Z94>... So there is no need to create illusions.
"I was recently gifted Evgenij N. Chernykh's most recent book Nomadic Cultures in the Mega-Structure of the Eurasian World (2017). The scope of this book is massive but I have just finished reading his chapter focusing on Seima-Turbino. Because Chernykh has been a premier archeologist on this subject for over thirty years, I decided to share what I've read.
- The first clear example of an aggressive east-west migration "forerunners of Genghis Khan".
- Chance finds in an expanse of up to 4 million km², from the Baltic/Lower Dniester to Central China. There is an inexplicably small number of finds throughout this area. Finds are primarily weapons, flint spearheads, metal jewelry, sculptures and in larger assemblages, nephrite "bracelets" or disks.
- ST "cemeteries" rarely contain burial pits, and when they do, they often don't contain human remains. When human remains are present, they are usually burned beyond usefulness to anthropologists. "Memorial sanctuary" or "altar" is sometimes used to denote similar sites.
- "Transcultural Phenomenon" is used because Seima-Turbino assemblages appear across cultural boundaries and within synchronous cultural landscapes
- Why have no proto-types of ST artifacts been found in this area? Chernykh attributes this to the "Mongolian syndrome". The early ST groups may not have deposited their goods in a way that preserved them over time. Similar to the 13th century Mongols, who left little archeological trace. ST could have altered their belief system after encountering other populations."
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Chernykh is hopelessly outdated. His association with Genghis Khan is categorically incorrect, he was simply mistaken with this invention, categorically mistaken. Yes, things were moving from Altai towards the Urals, but this was in no way connected with any wars, with any conquests, with any seizures of territories and resettlement, in general with nothing that Chernykh imagined for himself, it was purely connected with trade from Altai to the Urals. There was no Mongolian syndrome; it was simply an invention of Chernykh personally, which has now been completely refuted.
All these data perfectly explain one cultural phenomenon of this phenomenon - this is the fact that the Seima-Turbino residents almost do not contain real burials, all their burials are cenotaphs, and where there are burials, like in Rostovka, the locals mocked the corpses (however, Rostovka is practically the only place burials of social-t. with corpses). The answer turns out to be simple and very banal - as you know, cenotaphs are made where a warrior died in one place, but he lives in another place and there is no way to deliver his body, especially for sailors who died at sea. So, all the Seima-Turbino residents were strangers everywhere, they were hated and feared, so they did not die where they lived, but they lived in very different places and far from each other, and either their graves were dug out where they lived or, on the contrary, they were dug out for them. for ritual purposes, where they died, and the body was sent to their homeland, but where they were still buried, the locals mocked them because they were afraid of them during their lifetime.
Only one N1a probably died where he lived, he was a local from the local Samus culture, he simply lived in Rostovka, and was buried where he lived, he has no attributes associated with Seima-Turbino.
Jaska learn to read, you repeat what is written and it is pointless to answer you, because you are simply repeating answers that have already been written.
Quote:Quote:Just as Sintashta came to the Urals for bronze from Central Europe, so Andronovo came to Altai from Sintashta for tin bronze.
It is clearly said that the Sintashta people came to the Urals for any bronze; tin bronze was not yet known in Europe at that time; it became known only after the arrival of Sintashta in the Trans-Urals. Therefore, Sintashta belongs to MLBA, the letter L means that it was at this time that they began to use tin bronze, before that only arsenic bronze was used, which is what the letter M means. Andronovo culture is already entirely LBA.
What you write is not obvious, but counter-evident. There is nothing in common between Fatyanovo culture and Sintashta, no continuity. Fatyanovo is R1a-Z93*, R1a-Z94>... So there is no need to create illusions.