(04-30-2024, 10:31 AM)Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: I personally feel like qpGraph is going to be more helpful in this situation than qpAdm due to the lack of proximate sources.
Kale had once ran F4 comparing the east Eurasian ancestry stream,and it seems to have a preference of Jomon>Tianyuan and Jomon>Songe plain(Amur19K-East Asian)
Mbuti.DG Iran_GanjDareh_N Onge.DG Japan_Jomon 0.0016129 4.3404
Mbuti~ Iran_GanjDareh Tianyuan Jomon 2.10E-03 5.44861
Mbuti~ Iran_GanjDareh SongnenPlain_19KBP Jomon 7.67E-04 2.00342
Mbuti.DG Turkmenistan_TepeAnau_CA Japan_Jomon Tianyuan_AR33K -2.95E-03 -7.57412 828828
Mbuti.DG Turkmenistan_TepeAnau_CA Japan_Jomon Onge.DG -1.88E-03 -4.84385 846766
Mbuti.DG Turkmenistan_Geoksyur_CA SongnenPlain_19KBP Onge.DG -8.36E-04 -2.22005 702949
SongenPlain19K is preferred over onge and Jomon over SP19K and Jomon over Tianyuan..
The pull seems to be towards an east Eurasian branch which split after tianyuan but before/around jomon had split,rather than towards something like Onge/Late East Asian..
Kale also modelled MA1/AG3 as Muierri+Onge/Andaman+Minor tianyuan/AR33K ,so this makes me wonder if the East Eurasian in ANE could be better represented by something like Jomon instead of Onge?
MA1.SG
Muierii1 0.657092 0.0226929 28.9559
Andaman_100BP.SG 0.309727 0.0544981 5.68326
AR33K 0.0331809 0.0482626 0.687508
Tail: 0.55
right = c('Congo_Mbuti.DG', 'ZlatyKun.SG', 'Ust_Ishim.DG', 'BachoKiro_IUP', 'Papuan.DG', 'Tianyuan', 'Kostenki14', 'Sunghir.SG', 'Gravettian', 'GoyetQ116_1', 'Jomon.SG', 'RUS_Primorsky_Boisman_MN', 'Taiwan_Hanben_IA'
Yana_UP.SG
Muierii1 0.632288 0.0188614 33.5228
Andaman_100BP.SG 0.218551 0.0424194 5.15215
AR33K 0.149161 0.0376843 3.95818
Tail: 0.30
AG3
Muierii1 0.589039 0.0240579 24.4843
Andaman_100BP.SG 0.244668 0.0669798 3.65286
AR33K 0.0727044 0.0492340 1.47671
RUS_Yakutia_KolymaRiver_Meso.SG 0.0935885 0.0403508 2.31937
Tail: 0.21
The affinity in iranN seems to be pretty strange and towards an east Eurasian branch which split after tianyuan but before/around jomon had split,rather than towards something like Onge/East Asian..
I wonder if this type was the kulbalkian of central Asia,this could be a case where when ANE(Ydna R2 population) migrated from southern Siberia/altai towards caspian-aral sea towards Iran,it could have picked this kulbulakian admixture in the way.
Lazaridis modelling showed that the ratio of ANE/ENA(Onge) was 22/10 so something like 70/30 ANE:ENA,this could mean that the ANE population that came had 30% of central Asian/kulbulakian?/Basal East Asian Ancestry (split after tianyuan but split before east Asians diversified)..
Although we don't have such a population to model with,but we have populations with similar ratios of ANE:ENA(Although the ENA in these following sampels is Devil's Gate like)
Altai_6500BP->70% ANE/30% DevilsGate
Tarim_EMBA2->80% ANE/20% Devil's Gate
If Altai_6500BP is added in leftpops to match the ratio of admixture of such an hypothetical population,maybe we could use this model to see if IranN still receives extra ENA/Onge/Jomon over what can be provided by Altai_6500BP or tarim?
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Another case would be Iran_N having some Kolyma/Ust-Kyakhta admixture? that came admixed with the ANE.
Afterall something like Amur_19K is preffered over Onge.
Mbuti.DG Turkmenistan_Geoksyur_CA SongnenPlain_19KBP Onge.DG -8.36E-04 -2.22005 702949
But Jomon over amur_19k
Mbuti~ Iran_GanjDareh SongnenPlain_19KBP Jomon 7.67E-04 2.00342
I think 1st case is more likely(para-east Asian like people in central Asia)...