Z49>Z142>Z150>FGC12381, Y3140 > FGC12378, Y3142

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Quote from my old anthrogenica thread now at genoplot
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...gc47869/26

rather than calculating a location in Britain based on earliest known ancestors of samples, I going to use a location that represents a central location for Iron Age arrivals to Britain. There is no right answer here but I'm going to use the ancient intersection Icknield Way & Watling Street (51.886031, -0.520974) in present day Dunstable, Bedfordshire.
The Icknield Way is a pre Roman road, which crosses the middle of England from Norfolk to Wiltshire.
Watling Street is a 2nd century Roman road that runs from coastal Kent to the Welsh border in Wroxter, Shopshire

Here are the updated maps for selected FGC47869 subclades. I tried to use those with a TMRCA date range of 1000 BC to 500 AD.
Midpoint was Hallering, Moselle, Grand Est in north-eastern France. Between Metz, France & Saarbruken, Germany
Average date range was 127 to 215 BC. This part France is 13.9% U152 according to analysis done by Maciamo at Eupedia.
Same area overlaid ~54 BC map

Just looking at my U152>L2>Z49>Z142>Z150>FGC12381>FGC12378>FGC47869>FGC12401 branch, the center point between the FGC12401>FTD16929 branch and the FGC12401>FGC47975>BY5698 is between Metz, France and Saarbrucken, Germany in the Mosselle River Valley area. 

One possibility is the Moselle La Tene are the source for the spread of FGC47975 into Britain, Italy, and Hungary

Besides the Moselle La Tene group, the Treveri and Mediomatrici tribe were found in this area. 

The Treveri were a Celtic (Gaulish) tribe from the Trier area of modern day western Germany. Gaulish cavalry units were used extensively throughout the Roman Empire because of their skills on horseback and fierceness in battle. wiki

There is evidence some Treveri were in Britain as part of the Roman Auxiliares

The Lancaster Roman Tombstone: Interpretation inscription at bottom of this statute
"To the shades of the dead: Insus, Son of Vodullus, Citizen of Treveri, Cavalryman Curator of the Ala Augusta, troop of Victor." Domitia, his heir, had this set up.  

The first thing we can tell is that Insus was not a Roman citizen: he does not have the tria nomina, or triple name a Roman citizen would have. Citizenship was awarded on retirement from the Roman auxilia, so it seems likely Insus died in service. That his family could afford a quality memorial also suggests he was reasonably wealthy. His inscription records he was Treveri, from Trier in Western Germany. The Treveri had lost their independence after participating in an uprising against Julius Caesar’s Rome in 54/3BC, which the Romans put down, and they became a Roman colony from 16AD.

Insus was a Curator of his regiment: a supply officer equivalent to a quartermaster, a junior non-commissioned officer. This role required some responsibility and literacy. The Latin term Curator is still used in museums, where Curators are like quartermasters of museum collections: they ‘look after’ our objects, just as the Roman Curator ‘looked after’ military supplies, men, and horses.

There is no date on the stone noting when it was put up, but we can estimate this from Insus’ troop, the Ala Augusta ‘Victor’. Of the Ala, flanks or wings of infantry troops of about 500-1000 men, there were several called Augusta in Britain over the centuries. An Ala Augusta was stationed at Lancaster in the first century AD, and was only described as ‘Victor’ for a brief period, which allows us to estimate the date the tombstone was put up to 80AD.

Another inscription of a Roman Treveri cavalryman in Lancaster.
https://blogs.nottingham.ac.uk/argon...y-inscription/
"Insus can be compared with his comrade Apollinaris, also from Trier, whose epitaph, found in the eighteenth century in the excavation of a cellar in Pudding Lane (now Cheapside), Lancaster, closely parallels that of Insus, though no associated iconography is attested (the stone is only known from a manuscript drawing).

Dis Mani|bus | L(ucius) Iul(ius) Apol |linaris | Trever an(norum) | X*X eq(ues) al|ae Au[g(ustae)] |h(ic) [s(itus) e(st)]

‘To the shades. Lucius Iulius Apollinaris, the Treveran, 30 years old, cavalry man of the cavalry regiment Augusta lies buried here.’ (Roman Inscriptions of Britain vol. I 606)"
This one has 3 names so he must have been a Roman Citizen.

Both Insus and Apollinaris presumably joined the ala [Ala was a cavalry unit of the auxiliary troops in the Roman army] on the Continent before it was transferred to Britain. Insus is not a Roman name and its presentation here in non-tria nomina format and with no reference to veteran status may suggest that Insus has been killed whilst still serving. The most straightforward assumption is that Insus has died in Britain and that the headless enemy is a Briton. Given what we know about bilingualism in the north-western provinces, it is likely that someone named Insus, son of Vodullus, from Gaul in c. AD 100 came from a family that was at least partly Celtic-speaking. Trier was capital of Gallia Belgica and we know that the Celtic languages of northern Gaul were closely related to the British Celtic spoken in Britannia. This Treveran citizen, who is proudly presented in a north-western Roman military and Latin guise, would perhaps have found much more in common linguistically and culturally with the beheaded Briton than this portrayal might lead us to believe.

Jul 5, 2023, 12:59 AM

Lancaster is 47 miles from the birthplace of my brother y-dna branch in Brough, Westmorland (TMRCA 1740 AD).
https://lancashiremuseumsstories.wordpre...pretation/

386/387 AD:  Remarkably, the Treveri still exist as a recognisable group after nearly four hundred years of inclusion within the Roman empire. The best-known piece of evidence for Late Gaulish is found in St Jerome's (331-420) commentary on St Paul's letter to the Galatians, written in the year 386/387 (the calculation is somewhat imprecise). In it he says that the language of the Treveri in the Belgica is similar to that of the Galatians. Apart from the Greek language, which is spoken throughout the entire east of the empire, the Galatians have their own language which is almost the same as that of the Treveri. It serves to confirm that, whatever their mixed origins, the Treveri (and by extension all Belgae) spoke Celtic, not Germanic.  https://www.historyfiles.co.uk/KingLists...reveri.htm

As  FGC12401>FGC47975>BY5698 presently has members from Britain, Italy, and Hungary, I thought it was interesting that "Elements of the Mediomatrici may have settled near Novara, in northwestern Italy, where place-names allude to their presence, such as Mezzomerico"