Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[Webb]

There must be a glitch at FTDNA's website as it is showing I do not have any yDna matches. 12 through 111 markers all say I currently have no matches.

[Riverman]

There must be a glitch at FTDNA's website as it is showing I do not have any yDna matches.  12 through 111 markers all say I currently have no matches.

That happens again and again, you usually get your matches back within 24-48 hours. If not, you have to contact support. It seems to happen more often when you are online and accessing the data base when its being updated or something like that.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Of my 3245 12 marker matches 1414 are still M269. 5 are Z49, which is the closest I can hope for on this update.
Of my 379 25 marker matches, 215 are still M269. 0 are Z49.

Of my 7864 FF matches, 262 are M269, 11 are Z49

[ArmandoR1b]

Most of my 12 marker matches have not had a FF test

[Mabrams]

I have 5022 Y12  matches.    There are 2208 still at R-M269.

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On Dec 20, 2023 I had 1179 Y12 matches with R-M269 with a Family Finder test.
Today, I have 255 Y12 matches with M269 and a FF.    125 are autosomal transfers.  I still have 130 to be updated

Assuming the ATs are relatively constant, I started with 1179 - 125 = 1054. 

Thus, 1054 down to 130.    Approximately 7/8 "done" by this metric. 

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I had 560 R-M269s on my FF on Dec 6.
Today 265, including 125 ATs.    (The 125 ATs on both my FF and my Y12s is just a weird coincidence). 

560-125 = 435 FTDNA Family Finders for Dec.    265-125 = 140

Thus, 435 down to 140.  Approximately 2/3 "done" by this metric.

[ArmandoR1b]

I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups.

There is no database of all positions and which haplogroups they are used for in FF although there are ways to find out with a Google search which haplogroups they are used for.

So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups.

There is no database of all positions and which haplogroups they are used for in FF although there are ways to find out with a Google search which haplogroups they are used for.

So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs.

"I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups."

Can you elaborate?  When I read this, being recurrent in others subclades could make them unreliable. I must be misreading what you are saying.


"So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs."  

How do I check the list of positive SNPs for a FF match?

[ArmandoR1b]

I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups.

There is no database of all positions and which haplogroups they are used for in FF although there are ways to find out with a Google search which haplogroups they are used for.

So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs.

"I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups."

Can you elaborate?  When I read this, being recurrent in others subclades could make them unreliable.  I must be misreading what you are saying.


"So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs."  

How do I check the list of positive SNPs for a FF match?

They aren't necessarily unreliable if enough upstream SNPs exist and the person isn't positive for SNPs that are tested by FF that exist in other branches. FTDNA must be taking that into account. I assume that they are also comparing those results with people that have had a Big Y to prove they are reliable. 

You can't check on a match. You have to manage the account, or ask the match to provide the list of SNPs or screenshots, or if you know of a project that they belong to go to the page of the project that has the SNP results. The last one only works if they have had an STR test but not Big Y, Deep Clade, SNP pack, or individual SNP testing. Normally if there are no negative results or very few then they likely got the results from FF.

Most haplogroups don't have recurrent SNPs but I don't know how to find out all that do since there is not an FTDNA database that is similar to ISOGG SNP list or Ybrowse where we could filter out SNPs that don't have duplicates and see which haplogroups that are in all at once. It has to be done one at a time in the Haplotree or a Google search of Discover.

[asquecco]

A question for the experts. I compared the results of 2 FTDNA YDNA functions: Y-DNA Matches (Y-DNA) and Haplogroup Origins (HO: https://help.familytreedna.com/hc/en-us/...gins-Guide).
Y-DNA: 700 Y12/12 and Y11/12 matches. R-M269 = 321
HO: 668 Y12/12 and Y11/12. R-M269 = 15
What is the explanation for that? Thanks.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Looks like the recent slow down in progress is over. 6000 jump from 533,132 to 539,637

[ArmandoR1b]

I am hoping for some 20k increases next week.

[Tolan]

Here are some stats for France.


All:
2022: +431
2023: +359
since the beginning of 2024: +1383 ; total: 5174 then  +36% 


R-L21:
For 2022: +25
2023: +33
since the beginning of 2024: +181 ; total: 536 then +51%

[sirdan]

Looks like the recent slow down in progress is over.  6000 jump from 533,132 to 539,637

I think it depends on haplogroup. I mean different haplos update in different time.

[ArmandoR1b]

Looks like the recent slow down in progress is over.  6000 jump from 533,132 to 539,637

I think it depends on haplogroup. I mean different haplos update in different time.

That doesn't make sense. What are you basing that on?

[jdbreazeale]

I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups.

There is no database of all positions and which haplogroups they are used for in FF although there are ways to find out with a Google search which haplogroups they are used for.

So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs.

"I found out that SNPs that were used for defining a specific haplogroup have been found to be recurrent in other subclades and are now used for FF Y-DNA haplogroups."

Can you elaborate?  When I read this, being recurrent in others subclades could make them unreliable.  I must be misreading what you are saying.


"So if you see a haplogroup from FF it could be because of an SNP that was used to for another haplogroup, and still is, so check the list of positive SNPs."  

How do I check the list of positive SNPs for a FF match?

They aren't necessarily unreliable if enough upstream SNPs exist and the person isn't positive for SNPs that are tested by FF that exist in other branches. FTDNA must be taking that into account. I assume that they are also comparing those results with people that have had a Big Y to prove they are reliable. 

You can't check on a match. You have to manage the account, or ask the match to provide the list of SNPs or screenshots, or if you know of a project that they belong to go to the page of the project that has the SNP results. The last one only works if they have had an STR test but not Big Y, Deep Clade, SNP pack, or individual SNP testing. Normally if there are no negative results or very few then they likely got the results from FF.

Most haplogroups don't have recurrent SNPs but I don't know how to find out all that do since there is not an FTDNA database that is similar to ISOGG SNP list or Ybrowse where we could filter out SNPs that don't have duplicates and see which haplogroups that are in all at once. It has to be done one at a time in the Haplotree or a Google search of Discover.

Robin Spencer has a useful tool for this in the "Admin Utilities" under "Find All Replicate Mutations" on his website: http://scaledinnovation.com/gg/adminUtils.html