Coming Soon: Y-DNA Haplogroups for Family Finder

[ArmandoR1b]

I don't know if this has been mentioned before, but if you go into FTDNA's Public Y-Dna haplotree and go to a main branch, select the three dots at the far right, then click the surname report, I believe the list that comes up are the individuals who's snp has been determined using the FF test.  I say this because when I run the surname report for R-Z211, I see Vanderhoof, one of my 37 marker matches whose terminal was just updated this week.  The same when I run the surname report for R-CTS4065, I now see Holland and Hurst, whom I also match at 37 markers and their terminal was updated several weeks ago.

Based on the matching criteria ** Two or more kits with public project profile sharing and the same surname spelling are required for a surname to show on the Haplotree and based on the kits I found that have the same terminal SNP and the same surname and that they show up in the Haplotree regardless if it is due to Big Y testing or FF subclade testing or SNP pack testing. There is no question that those surnames met the criteria.

[ArmandoR1b]

When I do that, I get just a couple of names, despite the hundreds of members. Definitely far less than their should be, I don't even know what this covers and why both STR, SNP, BigY and FF members surnames being not shown.

If I go to E-Z5018, there pops up a single surname and I don't know why exactly that one.

What exactly is that "view by surname" in the public haplotree for? And why exactly those surnames?

Because they meet the criteria ** Two or more kits with public project profile sharing and the same surname spelling are required for a surname to show on the Haplotree 

The additional criteria not mentioned is that their terminal SNP has to be the same as the level you are looking at.

You can see them on the following pages with the same surname, same spelling and same terminal SNP:

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/DeL...e=yresults

https://www.familytreedna.com/public/DeL...frame=ysnp

Do you know of any other haplogroup that has a surname? You should be able to find them the way I did.

[Riverman]

Ok, that explains why there are so few surnames, even from lineages with a couple of testers. All these criteria being only met by a very small group of them. Doesn't really help, with so many missing.

[ArmandoR1b]

The Haplotree grew overnight. No Big Y kits were added. Only FF kits were added.

R-L151 grew by 2876 kits and the R-L151 branch grew by 198 kits. The R-L151 Branch kits are the kits that have no downstream derived reads. We already know v2 does not test for P312, DF27, or ZZ12_1. So most of those R-L151 Branch kits would be R-ZZ12_1. R-DF27 grew by 400 FF kits.

[Webb]

Another of my matches just had their terminal changed from R-M269 to R-CTS4065 since yesterday. So far that is three matches who have done the FF test and now have a new terminal snp. Two CTS4065, and one Z211.

[ChrisR]

I did not follow this and the thread closely. Is a list of FF Y-SNPs public?
I would like to check for some Haplogroups under R1b, J2a, E1b, G2a, etc.

[Mabrams]

I did not follow this and the thread closely. Is a list of FF Y-SNPs public?
I would like to check for some Haplogroups under R1b, J2a, E1b, G2a, etc.

Hopefully this link works.  There might be a cleaner link somewhere in this thread back in Jan
FamilyFinder SNP List Preliminary - Google Sheets

Keep in mind
This is an unofficial list.
I have found a few SNPs that were not listed above
Many SNPs are repeated.   There are probably 9,000 different SNPs in the list
This is for V3, not V2.   
This list is from approximately Jan.   It has not been updated.  Although it seems pretty thorough.

[Riverman]

Big push of new assignments in the last 24 hours. From my main branch less than a quarter (about 22 %) has now a BigY. At the start of FF assignments it was more than a half.

The most interesting part is that the increase of FF vs. BigY tested people is not the same by country. Like the increase of English and French is rather low, which proves that they are well tested by BigY already. While all Greek and most Russians are still FF only and the increase in Germans is tremdendous.

[ChrisR]

Hopefully this link works.  There might be a cleaner link somewhere in this thread back in Jan
FamilyFinder SNP List Preliminary - Google Sheets

Keep in mind
This is an unofficial list.
I have found a few SNPs that were not listed above
Many SNPs are repeated.   There are probably 9,000 different SNPs in the list
This is for V3, not V2.   
This list is from approximately Jan.   It has not been updated.  Although it seems pretty thorough.

Thanks, I did extract the J2 assigned SNPs and I did try to add the current haplogroup path according to https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T9ioxZBcjcnDw5W3E0_4b_GMZmgmxjCmx6AN0104GuY/edit?usp=sharing (you need to go to tab J2)
149 of the 174 SNPs could be assigned to a J2 haplogroup 
Good for some, not a very recent Hg for most

[Mabrams]

You did a nice job on the J2 branch......


Most haplogroups are not very modern.  FTDNA said as much in the initial announcement.


"This means you’ll only receive a partial haplogroup from an autosomal test. Most customers can expect this haplogroup to have originated in the Metal Age (about 10,000 years ago)."

I think they were being very conservative to suggest 10,000 years ago, but that might be true for some people.  I see there are 22,000 J2 men at the moment, but your SNPs can narrow that down considerably. 

My R SNP-of-Interest is 500 BCE, but still a big step in the right direction.   And my SNP has more than doubled since Dec and comprises less than 1% of R-M269 so that's a major filtering for me.  Quite a few potential BigY matches if I can just persuade them to move up. 

[Dewsloth]

Ha, my Filipino father-in-law (who only did FF) now has a 13,000 year old Y-SNP. Cool.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

I've got 3192 12 marker matches, 1767 have family finder results
So far there is nothing unusual in the number of additions over the last 12 months.
Dec 2023:  4 additions 
Nov 23:  3 additions
Oct 23:  7 additions
Sep 23:  4 additions
Aug 23:  3 additions
Jul 23:  7 additions
Jun 23:  5 additions
May 23:  8 additions
Apr 23:  8 additions
Mar 23:  5 additions
Feb 23:  10 additions
Jan 23:  8 additions

Overall I currently have 7740 family finder matches,
1 is M343
565 are M269 of which 113 are blank (you have to click on the name to see it's positive for M269)
1 L23
2 are L151
8 are P312
5 U152
4 L2
2 Z49
0 Z142
0 Z12222
0 FGC12378
0 FGC12401

Will periodically check to see how these numbers change.

17 May 24 update to above Jan 24 numbers

I've got 3242 12 marker matches, 1803 have family finder results
Apr 24: 15 additions
Mar 24: 3 additions
Feb 24: 7 additions
Jan 24: 7 additions


Overall I currently have 7856 family finder matches,
0 M343
363 M269 (40 Paternal, 88 Maternal)
1 L23 (Maternal
33 L151 (6 Paternal, 10 Maternal)
7 P312 (1 Paternal)
6 U152 ( 1 Paternal, 2 Maternal)
9 L2 ( 3 Paternal, 1 Maternal)
8 Z49 ( 1 Paternal, 4 Maternal matches)
0 Z142
1 Z12222 (Maternal)
0 FGC12378
0 FGC12401

Big drop in M269 numbers, significant increase in L151 and Z49 numbers

[ArmandoR1b]

Overnight the R-L151 Branch kits that have no downstream derived reads grew by 1,368 kits. Total is now 6,112. It's a tragedy P312 and ZZ12_1 weren't tested by Family Finder v2. ZZ12_1 was discovered in 2014 per Ybrowse and FF v2 was released in the Fall of 2015.

I hope a lot of R-L151 people get a Big Y test in order to discover their most downstream public SNP.

edit: By the way, R-L151 is from 3000 BCE which is the Metal Age

[ArmandoR1b]

Most haplogroups are not very modern.  FTDNA said as much in the initial announcement.


"This means you’ll only receive a partial haplogroup from an autosomal test. Most customers can expect this haplogroup to have originated in the Metal Age (about 10,000 years ago)."

I think they were being very conservative to suggest 10,000 years ago, but that might be true for some people.

That part was weird. The Copper Age is the first of period with metallurgy which started around 7,000 years ago.

Regardless it was easy to see, based on the results from 23andme, Ancestry, myHeritage, and LivingDNA, that most people would get a very old haplogroup. Most of the haplogroups in FF v3 that are younger than 23andme v5 are only slightly younger.

Big Y has always been the better test that leads to a haplogroup within the last 2,000 years in most cases.

[ArmandoR1b]

Thanks, I did extract the J2 assigned SNPs and I did try to add the current haplogroup path according to https://discover.familytreedna.com/y-dna/J-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1T9ioxZBcjcnDw5W3E0_4b_GMZmgmxjCmx6AN0104GuY/edit?usp=sharing (you need to go to tab J2)
149 of the 174 SNPs could be assigned to a J2 haplogroup 
Good for some, not a very recent Hg for most

If you keep track of the Branch participants (far left column) in the Country Report section of the Haplotree of those SNPs you'll see some grow in number. The SNPs that grow in number for Branch participants are for sure from FF is the Big Y participant count does not grow in the Big Y Block tree.

Not growing of course does not mean that for sure the SNP is not tested. It could mean that no one test positive for it. But there are other ways to logically deduce if an SNP is not tested.