U152 maps

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Continuation of a thread I started over on AG 2 years ago.

Here is the latest version.  Multiple present day sources, including Eupedia, FTDNA, public studies across Europe.



13% and higher


17% and higher

[Riverman]

Astonishing how unrelated the modern distribution is to the MBA frequencies. Clearly the result of the expansion of other haplogroups in later time periods. All of Austria, Czechia, most of Hungary and Slovenia have been totally dominated by R-U152, especially R-L2 in the MBA-LBA.

[ChrisR]

Thanks. As with the Eupedia etc. maps it would be really helpful having additional information like more details about the sources and the date of collection (FTDNA Projects, ...) and also some stats like total numbers from papers and public DTC results etc.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Thanks. As with the Eupedia etc. maps it would be really helpful having additional information like more details about the sources and the date of collection (FTDNA Projects, ...) and also some stats like total numbers from papers and public DTC results etc.

If you go to the link it will show the progression and sources for various areas.

Off the top of my head, 
German data comes from the FTDNA German project
Irish and English data was analysis I did using FTDNA project data
French was Eupedia (via FTDNA)
Italy, Netherlands, Belgium, and Spain were public studies, 
Also Myres and Busby and if a country is all one color then probably ftdna

[ChrisR]

If you to the link it will show the progression and sources for various areas.

German data comes from the FTDNA German project

Oh sorry, did not follow the link earlier. I see a substantial thread with many updates. Is there a spreadsheet online?
While it is not whole regions/provinces screening, the Coia et al 2013 study might give additional valuable data for the Trentino / Alpine Adige river area. I could not find a reference to this study, so I assume so far it is not included:
Demographic Histories, Isolation and Social Factors as Determinants of the Genetic Structure of Alpine Linguistic Groups
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl...ne.0081704
Here sublocations R1b frequency/total (more finegrained results/SNPs available like U152):
Ladin Badiot Fascia Gherdëin 75/142
Trentino Non Sole 59/113
Trentino Giudicarie 30/51
Trentino Fers Fiem Prim 52/105
Trentino Adige (Rov) 34/56
Trentino Lusern Zimbarn 23/25

Let's hope the Celtic/Rhaetian papers (one published lately but raw data seems either corrupt or in non-standard, see Late Antiquity-Early Middle Ages cemetery in the Eastern Italian Alps) in the next years will give some more ancient hints.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Sorry no spreadsheet, just added stuff as I found it

[brunolord15]

what explain in some regions from italy R-U152 be so strong?

[NewEnglander]

How did you go about finding the sources for these and combining them? Averages from multiple sources?

[Mitchell-Atkins]

How did you go about finding the sources for these and combining them? Averages from multiple sources?

I started this process back in 2021...various sources.  I didn't carefully document it but you can see the history of development here
https://genoplot.com/discussions/topic/1...-studies/1

[Mitchell-Atkins]

what explain in some regions from italy R-U152 be so strong?

A lot of the Italian data come from this study https://journals.plos.org/plosone/articl...ne.0065441

I believe multiple waves mostly brought U152 into Italy between the Bell Beaker period in the later half of 3rd Millennium, Urnfield, Hallstatt, and ending with the La Tene arrivals ~450 BC to the Roman conquest in the 1st century BC.

Well that's my take, but member Richard Rocca is far more versed in this topic.

[Mitchell-Atkins]

Luccotti study from 2015.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinfor...erid=53754

XV=M269
S21=U106
S145=L21
S28=U152





Above data shown in spreadsheet


Other figures from the study. NOTE: maps are percentage of said haplogroup (U152, U106, L21) of M269, not of the total.





U152 map