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Saami I in FTDNA Discover
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In Discover, there are 32 Saami samples, of which 19 belong to haplogroup N, 11 to haplogroup I1, and 2 to haplogroup R1a. Here are the 11 samples within I1:

I-M253 (2600 BCE) >> DF29 (2400 BCE): 11 (34 %)
> Y2592 (2350 BCE): 6 = 19 % (Shet 25 %, Swe 21 %, Fin 18 %, Nor 17 %, Den 11 %, Est 7 %)
>> Z2338 (1750 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Fin 17 %, Swe 13 %, Shet 13 %, Nor 11 %, Den 7 %)
>>> L287 (100 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Fin 14 %, Est 2 %, Swe 1 %, Nor 1 %)
>>>> BY2572 (400 CE): 2 = 6 % (Fin 2 %, Est 1 %)
>>>> S1167 (550 CE): 1 = 3 % (Fin 1 %, Nor < 1 %, Swe < 1 %)
>> FGC41265 (1650 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Swe 3 %, Fin 1 %, Nor 1 %, Den 1 %)
>>> PH709 (1550 CE): 3 = 9 % (Swe 5 = < 1 %)
> Z58 (2350 BCE): 5 = 16 % (Shet 25 %, Man 16 %, Swe 14 %, Ork 11 %, Den 10 %, Nor 9 %)
>> FTT14 (250 BCE): 5 = 16 % (Swe 9 %, Ork 6 %, Nor 5 %, Fin 1 %, Den 1 %, Est 1 %)
>>> FT7755 (200 CE): 5 = 16 % (Swe 2 %, Nor 1 %)
>>>> PH4348 (600 CE): 5 = 16 % (Nor 3 = < 1 %)

P.S: For the sake of clarity, not all the intermediary SNP-mutations are included here.
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(11-05-2023, 08:49 AM)Jaska Wrote: In Discover, there are 32 Saami samples, of which 19 belong to haplogroup N, 11 to haplogroup I1, and 2 to haplogroup R1a. Here are the 11 samples within I1:

I-M253 (2600 BCE) >> DF29 (2400 BCE): 11 (34 %)
> Y2592 (2350 BCE): 6 = 19 % (Shet 25 %, Swe 21 %, Fin 18 %, Nor 17 %, Den 11 %, Est 7 %)
>> Z2338 (1750 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Fin 17 %, Swe 13 %, Shet 13 %, Nor 11 %, Den 7 %)
>>> L287 (100 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Fin 14 %, Est 2 %, Swe 1 %, Nor 1 %)
>>>> BY2572 (400 CE): 2 = 6 % (Fin 2 %, Est 1 %)
>>>> S1167 (550 CE): 1 = 3 % (Fin 1 %, Nor < 1 %, Swe < 1 %)
>> FGC41265 (1650 BCE): 3 = 9 % (Swe 3 %, Fin 1 %, Nor 1 %, Den 1 %)
>>> PH709 (1550 CE): 3 = 9 % (Swe 5 = < 1 %)
> Z58 (2350 BCE): 5 = 16 % (Shet 25 %, Man 16 %, Swe 14 %, Ork 11 %, Den 10 %, Nor 9 %)
>> FTT14 (250 BCE): 5 = 16 % (Swe 9 %, Ork 6 %, Nor 5 %, Fin 1 %, Den 1 %, Est 1 %)
>>> FT7755 (200 CE): 5 = 16 % (Swe 2 %, Nor 1 %)
>>>> PH4348 (600 CE): 5 = 16 % (Nor 3 = < 1 %)

P.S: For the sake of clarity, not all the intermediary SNP-mutations are included here.

I needed some time to understand the design of your composition. In my words: 11 (or about 33%) out of 32 modern Saami samples belong to Y-haplogroup I1 - six of them are assigned to the "Nordic" branch Z2592 (all of them under L22), the other five belong to the "continental" branch Z58. In one of his videos, if I remember right, Mr. I1 assumed a Z58 origin in Denmark - but one of its sub-branches, Z73, appears to represent a backmigration into Scandinavia. All of these 5 Saami Z58 samples are on that very sub-branch (Z73). 
So there are no Z63 and no pre-DF29 Saami samples.

You probably had a reason to open this thread and to make this post. What were you thinking about?


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No other reason than present the data from Discover. Although I must admit that I always think possible correlations with languages, and here it seems that L287 (100 BCE) was present in Southern Finland. As Proto-Saami also developed there and Late Proto-Saami disintegrated ca. 100 CE, descendants of L287 are probable carriers of the Saami languages to the north.
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