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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| Yeah... horses, sheep, wheel, wagon, metal work, language. I would call that a cultural phenomenon alright. |
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Thread: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Novosvobodnaya
Post: RE: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Nov...
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Sephesakueu Wrote: (04-22-2024, 12:34 AM)
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This sample might be interesting for the discussion due to how odd it seems at first sight:
MonteCanelas337A.SG/MC337A
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3011 - 2786 calBCE
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04-22-2024, 12:52 AM |
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Thread: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Novosvobodnaya
Post: RE: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Nov...
| Did this manually though:
Z534[formed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 15600 ybp] (brother branch to Kotias Klde) >Z1825[formed 15600 ybp, TMRCA 13800 ybp]>Z593[formed 13800 ybp, TMRCA 12700 ybp]>J-M241[formed 127... |
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Thread: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Novosvobodnaya
Post: RE: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Nov...
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Polska Wrote: (04-21-2024, 11:21 PM)
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Thank you for the updated info, ArchetypeOne. Very helpful.
Here are some feasible models from the preprint for his possible admixture that you’ve probab... |
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04-21-2024, 11:35 PM |
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Thread: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Novosvobodnaya
Post: RE: J2b-Z42942 steppe migration to Moldova via Nov...
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Polska Wrote: (04-21-2024, 08:17 PM)
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https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.04.17.589600v1
The recent preprint linked above, “A genomic history of the North Pontic Region from the Neolithic... |
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04-21-2024, 10:28 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| The thing is, that right now things are really open despite the paper.
On one end, we need an admixture event of Remotnoye to talk about both PIA and PIE. So people that want to argue about (south)... |
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04-21-2024, 08:24 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Proto-Indo-Anatolian was the language spoken in the North Caucasus piedmont and Lower Volga by people of mixed CHG-EHG-Central Asian/Siberian ancestry and Proto-Indo-European was the lang... |
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04-21-2024, 07:48 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Andar Wrote: (04-21-2024, 01:35 PM)
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (04-20-2024, 08:28 PM)
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An interesting source on Aknashen:The Neolithic Settlement of Aknashen (Ararat valley, Armenia) (https://www.arch... |
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04-21-2024, 02:21 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| An interesting source on Aknashen:The Neolithic Settlement of Aknashen (Ararat valley, Armenia) (https://www.archaeopress.com/Archaeopress/download/9781803270029)
The culture seems to be connected ... |
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04-20-2024, 08:28 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| Guys, keep in mind that g25 can not fail models, and having tournaments to get models that don't fail any of the half dozen populations in qpADM has orders of magnitude less degrees of freedom. The la... |
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04-20-2024, 06:26 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Jerome Wrote: (04-20-2024, 02:01 PM)
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pegasus Wrote: (04-20-2024, 12:28 PM)
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (04-20-2024, 11:45 AM)
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From a fine-print,they aren't claiming BP groups to be PI... |
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04-20-2024, 02:23 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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pegasus Wrote: (04-20-2024, 12:28 PM)
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (04-20-2024, 11:45 AM)
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pegasus Wrote: (04-20-2024, 11:26 AM)
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The labels are confusing, what is the Dnipro cline exactly ? Do they ... |
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04-20-2024, 12:36 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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pegasus Wrote: (04-20-2024, 11:26 AM)
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The labels are confusing, what is the Dnipro cline exactly ? Do they have BPgroup ancestry? Are they suggesting this BPgroup is what gave rise to Indo Anatoli... |
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04-20-2024, 11:45 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| It is interesting that the earlier CHG already present in the region saw a decline in favor of Aknashen right before these Indo-Anatolian / Indo-European initial movements... I wonder what is up with ... |
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04-20-2024, 11:01 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Archetype0ne Wrote: (04-20-2024, 09:54 AM)
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It took me quite a few hours of reading and re-reading... and it might look ugly... but I hope this helps others (and that I did not make any mistakes).
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04-20-2024, 10:22 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| It took me quite a few hours of reading and re-reading... and it might look ugly... but I hope this helps others (and that I did not make any mistakes).
https://i.imgur.com/dhh5knS.png
Cline SShi ... |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Jerome Wrote: (04-20-2024, 06:42 AM)
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Actually in their supplementery,they also perfectly model Anatolia BA using aknashen +Neolithic Anatolia without any steppe and they just say 'There are variou... |
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04-20-2024, 09:51 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| They leave all scenarios open, but claim based on the current evidence that hypothesis B is a bit more likely. I highly suggest you read the last 20-40 pages of the supplement, everything will become ... |
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04-20-2024, 02:59 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| Some other interesting bits:
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The origins of Remontnoye: half Maikop/Aknashen Neolithic and half Lower Volga Eneolithic Thus, we have arrived at the Remontnoye+SShi model as the only pl... |
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04-20-2024, 12:11 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
| https://i.imgur.com/Hu3n53p.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/QFjFLpl.png
Table S 44 A unified model of Indo-Anatolian and Indo-European origins from the supplement |
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