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Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
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Kale Wrote:
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What are some loanwords that seem convincing, and from what languages do they derive?
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According to Zsolt Simon 2020, *meti 'honey' and *wetä- 'to pull, lead' are phonologically an... |
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Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
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Kale Wrote: (05-19-2024, 05:44 PM)
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Does that include loanwords also (at or before the PIE stage)?
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Well, some loanwords are more convincing than others. Many Proto-Uralic words formerly consid... |
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05-19-2024, 06:36 PM |
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Thread: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
Post: RE: Proto-Indo-European and Indo-Anatolian
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Kale Wrote: (05-19-2024, 04:52 PM)
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So now that it seems like the mainstream is on board with a Steppe origin of PIE, what does linguistics have to say about PPIE?
For example are there any hints... |
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05-19-2024, 05:10 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Gabru77 Wrote: (05-19-2024, 02:33 PM)
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Probability of branches not coming from Steppes, or weight of derivation from Non-Steppe ranked in accordance of the South of Caucausus theory:-
Euphratic(hyp... |
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05-19-2024, 03:30 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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targaryen Wrote: (05-18-2024, 02:03 AM)
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Jaska Wrote: (05-17-2024, 10:58 PM)
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Targaryen Wrote:
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Yamnaya literally means "Pit Grave". If this type of burial was not distinctive to them, they w... |
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05-18-2024, 01:49 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Targaryen Wrote:
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Yamnaya literally means "Pit Grave". If this type of burial was not distinctive to them, they would not use that name.
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No, the logic does not go like that. Naming the culture ... |
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05-17-2024, 10:58 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Gabru77 Wrote: (05-17-2024, 09:57 AM)
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The "CLV" people have their linguistic origins in the Early Aratashan-Aknashen Culture of "South of Caucasus"
Target: RUS_Progress-Vonyuchka_LN
P-Value: 0... |
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05-17-2024, 10:48 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Alanarchae Wrote:
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For me there are too many things that fit well a western entry c.3000BC to be coincidence. And I accept there may have been some gene flow by an eastern route too but there is ju... |
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05-17-2024, 10:44 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
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Ebizur Wrote:
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I would say that N-P43 as a whole would be better considered as a member of a hypothetical Proto-Uralic-speaking population than as a member of a specifically Proto-Samoyedic-speakin... |
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05-17-2024, 05:33 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
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Kolompar Wrote:
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Actually makes the most sense that they would have Turkic ancestry, the half million Yakuts nearby didn't come from nothing. Todzin are from Tuva, should be a good proxy for the or... |
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05-16-2024, 02:30 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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Targaryen Wrote:
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It's the eastern route, because as I wrote the rest of the DNA is Mesopotomian, not Balkanian or local Anatolian. This implies an eastern route.
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When the steppe ancestry is dil... |
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05-13-2024, 11:26 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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jdean Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:42 AM)
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Jaska Wrote: (05-12-2024, 11:05 AM)
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targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM)
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We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. ... |
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05-12-2024, 08:24 PM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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targaryen Wrote: (05-12-2024, 04:48 AM)
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We have IBD between CLVs in the steppe and those Central Anatolian samples. That seals the deal. Proto-Anatolians were CLVs who mixed with Mesopotamians and... |
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05-12-2024, 11:05 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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parasar Wrote: (05-10-2024, 08:58 PM)
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https://scholarlypublications.universiteitleiden.nl/access/item%3A3714602/view
PROTO-INDO-ANATOLIAN, THE “ANATOLIAN SPLIT” AND THE “ANATOLIAN TREK”:
A COMPA... |
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05-11-2024, 11:09 AM |
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Thread: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
Post: RE: The Genetic Origin of the Indo-Europeans
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old europe Wrote: (05-08-2024, 04:51 PM)
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we now know the exact reason why anatolian languages were outliers among IE.
1) It is because they were spoken by populations rooted in the Progress clu... |
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05-08-2024, 08:03 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
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Kolompar Wrote:
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I replied to Angles making the comparison. Hungarians are a very rare case, possibly the only one, having their language's ancestry diluted so much. I don't know why we would assum... |
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04-27-2024, 10:22 AM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
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Kolompar Wrote:
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It's always been clear what happened there, and that they are the exception to the rule, and now we have concrete genetic evidence too. I don't see how the case of a few hundred Ng... |
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04-25-2024, 09:28 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
| I checked the composition of the Early Iron Age Minino NEO538 in Allentoft et al. 2024:
In supp. table IX, Deep:
MiddleDon_7500BP = 0,653
Caucasus_13000BP_10000BP = 0,072
Boncuklu_10000BP = 0,0... |
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04-23-2024, 06:56 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
| Wow, thank you very much, Anglesqueville!
So, the Hungarians work best without any Yakutia ancestry, and the Nganasans without any steppe ancestry.
Earlier studies have shown for the Saami ca. 50... |
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04-23-2024, 03:50 PM |
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Thread: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng et al. 2023
Post: RE: Uralic populations in the qpAdm models by Zeng...
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ANIEXCAVATOR Wrote: (04-22-2024, 03:04 PM)
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About the West Eurasian ancestries among Uralic populations, we already know they are gonna be very heterogeneous because, for example in this paper, we ... |
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04-22-2024, 04:07 PM |
