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    Thread: Did the Y-Adam ventured outside Africa before coming back and expanding again ?
Post: RE: Did the Y-Adam ventured outside Africa before ...

More recents studies place the mtdna Denisovians/Sima de Los Huesos vs LateNeandertal/Sapiens split closer to the Y-dna one instead of Posth2017 ~1Mya. My own estimations (for what it's worth) based o...
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Ancient (aDNA) 8 729 05-10-2024, 04:25 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Kale Wrote: (04-18-2024, 10:43 PM) -- The graphs are obviously quite large, a lot going on, so to accompany the archaeological explanation, if you could, put each of the nodes on a map with a date (o...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-18-2024, 11:37 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

That was my last graph.  Next I will do the post about archeology.  I will touch upon mainly the top of the tree, focusing on Europe. In the meantime, if anyone wonders about Oase1, aside from the ...
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crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-18-2024, 12:02 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

AMERINDS Nothing unexpected here. We have the EastAsia, Onge-like, ANE components. What I note is that now EHG needs some real Para-America ancestry but still also keeps the EastAsia additionnal...
crashdoc
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-18-2024, 11:44 AM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Amur River 33kya This graph is a bit distorted, maybe because of the quality of the sample or of less effort from the graph maker, but I only wanted to show what I meant earlier by AR33k being diff...
crashdoc
crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-18-2024, 02:01 AM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

AFRICA Of course not much can be inferred about internal structure in Africa with qpgraph, as we don't have enough ancient samples. After all, Africa has a longer AMH history than Eurasia! What ...
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crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-17-2024, 05:22 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

I know those graphs look crazy!  But what is critical with qpgraph is not the amount of admixture, it is the amount of populations and the f3 residuals between them. With a small amount of population...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-17-2024, 12:47 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

ITALIAN GRAVETTIANS Warning: the best qpgraphs are behind. For instance this one has only 350k snps and it starts to show. Italian Gravettians are a bit different from Vestonice.  Apart from...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-17-2024, 11:50 AM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

PAPUAN AND JOMON The Coastal Route branches off into COASTAL_INDIA and the groups that continued which I tagged COASTAL_PACIFIC. Those last ones went into Sahul and also up the Pacific Coast to con...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-17-2024, 12:47 AM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Chad Wrote: (04-16-2024, 10:01 PM) -- The problem is, you can admix anything to a passing model. There's too much going on here to say any of it is real. -- I understand your position and I would p...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 11:44 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Kale Wrote: (04-16-2024, 04:59 PM) -- I assume you are running something like this (example from the documentation)... out = qpgraph(example_f2_blocks, example_graph) plot_graph(out$edges) Inste...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 11:30 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Kale Wrote: (04-16-2024, 03:35 PM) -- crashdoc Wrote: (04-16-2024, 03:07 PM) -- I remain unconvinced by the non-diploid samples affecting only the terminal edge drift. When common drift between samp...
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crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 04:46 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

GRAPH3: adding MA1, WHG, EHG, SATP (Satsurblia=CHG), Pinarbasi, Iran_N A word of warning: yes there are a lot of admixture events, because I tried to be as precise as possible in order to squeeze a...
crashdoc
crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 04:41 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Kale Wrote: (04-16-2024, 02:49 AM) -- Yes the zero edge leading to Sunghir is a red flag. Going back to the terminal edge point... Diploid samples will have accurate terminal drift edges. Single sa...
crashdoc
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 03:07 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Norfern-Ostrobothnian Wrote: (04-15-2024, 10:53 PM) -- Try making Vestonice a mixture of BK1653 and Sunghir maybe that helps with the 0 edge? I think that is the accepted mixture these days. -- I t...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-16-2024, 03:06 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

GRAPH2: adding Taforalt, Yana, BK1653, Vestonice, KotiasKide25k First thing to note is an addition of a small percent of EastAsia contibution to Onge_Jarawa, it is necessary, so it must mean that the...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-15-2024, 08:24 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Kale Wrote: (04-15-2024, 04:58 PM) -- Excellent, I'm glad to no longer be alone exploring these sorts of things! :) The best words of caution I can give as you proceed; guard against extreme drift e...
crashdoc
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-15-2024, 06:07 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

old europe Wrote: (04-15-2024, 01:56 PM) -- crashdoc Wrote: (04-15-2024, 01:23 PM) -- BASE -- interesting but you should reconcile with the archeological record : I would get rid of prewest Russia...
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Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-15-2024, 04:42 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: RE: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

BASE With the following 10 included samples, the first branching after the OOA event is ZlatyKun, inluded in a "WAVE1" event. Then, what I called preWestRussia (ancestor to the likes of Kostenki and...
crashdoc
crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-15-2024, 01:23 PM
    Thread: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion
Post: Qpgraph of Eurasian AMH dispersion

Before answering Kale's thread https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=171 I wanted to have something concrete and then it became bigger than I had planned. So I am posting this thread instead ...
crashdoc
crashdoc
Ancient (aDNA) 37 1,836 04-15-2024, 01:10 PM