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Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Riverman - 03-14-2024 (03-14-2024, 05:22 PM)J1_DYS388=13 Wrote: New Results https://genarchivist.com/showthread.php?tid=95&pid=12639#pid12639 The paper has a couple of new samples, including a good number of E-V13 carriers from Northern and Central Europe. The resolution of the samples is not the best looking at the assignments, probably some of our resident experts can determine some subclades and/or contact FTDNA/YFull for using the sample set? RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - GHurier - 03-14-2024 Amazing number of sample from France during IA. Few samples from Austrian-IA too ... those data are great, they fill many hole in ancient DNA coverage ! Right after the new samples from South-Western Germany IA, its a lucky week ! RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Dewsloth - 03-14-2024 Lots of "P312" that may turn out to have more below (I hope). I'm just happy to see 700+ non-cremated samples. Edit - reposting the DF19s the paper specifically called from the "new abstractr discussion" thread: CGG019200 Illerup_FHM_1880_QEV NorthernEurope Denmark Jutland Illerup_weapon_sacrifice_site bog_skeleton 56.0532 9.93298 Bone mass_warrior_grave 1892 35 15.7 -19.0 context (emailed Mads Holst 4/2/22) 1887 1716 1802 63 234 149 IronAge EarlyRomanBogWar CGG019200 3.8972 XY T2b 1 0.9058 0.9979874 0.9939219 0.9994933 R1b1a1b1a1a2e2~ [This is DF19>Z302] CGG107761 CL013 (I037) WesternEurope Netherlands Province South-Holland Valkenburg Marktveld Roman Cemetery 52.174446 4.436957 Bone Petrous NA NA NA NA context 2000 1700 1850 -50 250 100 IronAge Roman CGG107761 1.70073 XY K1a3a1 1 0.941 0.9998451 0.9971418 0.9999755 R1b1a1b1a1a2e1 [This is DF19>DF88] CGG107763 CL006 (I079) WesternEurope Netherlands Province South-Holland Valkenburg Marktveld Roman Cemetery 52.174446 4.436957 Bone Petrous 1852 19 NA NA DeA-36912 1825 1717 1771 125 233 179 IronAge EarlyRoman CGG107763 3.70205 XY U5a2c1 1 0.9743 0.9940495 0.9996312 R1b1a1b1a1a2e1 Bog body site? https://www.heritagedaily.com/2012/07/an...-bog/46597 and https://www.museumskanderborg.dk/alken-e...sh-version Valkenburg site: https://www.academia.edu/1997586/STRONTI..._MARKTVELD RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Capsian20 - 03-14-2024 Great i see many samples belong a mtDNA Hg V RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - CGPF - 03-14-2024 Mass warrior grave Alken Enge Below is the Y-DNA of 14 warriors of the Alken Enge mass warrior grave. Probably hundreds died during the battle that took place some 2000 years ago on the east coast of Jutland (Denmark). I2a1b1a2b1a2a1a~ I2a1b1a2b1a~ R1a1a1~ R1a1a1a1b1~ R1b1a1b1a1a1d R1a1a1~ R1a1a1~ R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a1b1b1a I1a1a~ I2a1b1a2b1a~ I2a1b1a2b1a2a1 R1a1a1a1b~ R1b1a1b1a1a1c2b2a I1a2a1a1~ 5x R1a1a1 (of which 2 R1a1a1a1b) 4x I2a1b1a 3x R1b1a 2x I1a RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Pylsteen - 03-14-2024 Nice, many Roman-age samples from Valkenburg (South-Holland), here lay Praetorium Agrippinae and lived the Cananefates. RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Dewsloth - 03-14-2024 Alken Enge and Illerup sites seem to be adjacent, if not the same area: CGG019200 Illerup_FHM_1880_QEV NorthernEurope Denmark Jutland Illerup_weapon_sacrifice_site bog_skeleton 56.0532 9.93298 Bone mass_warrior_grave 1892 35 15.7 -19.0 1802 IronAge EarlyRomanBogWar CGG019200 3.8972 XY T2b 1 0.9058 0.9979874 0.9939219 0.9994933 R1b1a1b1a1a2e2~ [This is DF19>Z302] Also one female: CGG019213 FHM_1880_Illerup_OOA NorthernEurope Denmark Jutland Illerup_weapon_sacrifice_site bog_skeleton 56.0532 9.93298 Tooth mass_warrior_grave 2477 2547 IronAge EarlyRomanBogWar CGG019213 1.40459 XX U2e1a1 Quote:Alken Enge is situated in the Illerup Ådal river valley, an archaeologically rich area that provides much evidence for such battles. Moreover, excavations from the 1950s onwards have uncovered deposits of weapons, pottery, and wooden objects dating to both the pre-Roman period and the Roman Iron Age – giving the area its nickname ‘Holy Valley’. Many of these weapon deposits were found in wetland areas, suggesting they were part of post-conflict rituals, possibly offerings to a pagan deity after battle. While the finds at Alken Enge this year reinforce such associations, the site itself is unique, as Holst explains: ‘What makes Alken special is the fact that it is the only site where we actually have the remains of the warriors themselves. On a wider European scale, it is quite extraordinary in its scale and character.’https://the-past.com/news/the-bare-bones-ritual-violence-in-denmarks-holy-valley/ Edit: Ah, here from supp: Quote:Denmark, Jutland, Illerup, Skanderup, 16.02.08-53 RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Ambiorix - 03-14-2024 Very exciting to see this preprint pop up! I took note of this blurb from Supplementary Note 1B (pp. 82-83) - not all that surprising to me, but still notable that they identify a genetic cluster in the Netherlands (ENS) distinct from the signature of southern Scandinavian migrants: Quote:S6.7.2 The Netherlands I disagree with the idea that the Frisii were Celtic-speaking (as was suggested by the authors) or otherwise not Germanic-speaking by the Iron Age, but this is otherwise a minor grievance on my part! RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - CGPF - 03-14-2024 Alken Enge and Illerup sites are indeed adjacent RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Dewsloth - 03-14-2024 That area must have been like the Dead Marshes from LOTR. I wonder if that's where Tolkein got the idea. RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Vinitharya - 03-14-2024 I assume the R1a1a1a1b guys were all Z284. RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - RCO - 03-14-2024 Some new J1 but we need to investigate the BAM files for a final resolution. CGG018559.mccoll_230707_ironage | Gruta_do_Caldeirão | Portugal_Medieval_Visigothic | J1a CGG023715.mccoll_230707_ironage | Camp_du_Château | France_Medieval_LateAntiquity | J1a CGG107753.mccoll_230817_ironage | Valkenburg Marktveld | Netherlands_IronAge | J1a | 1850 CGG024700.mccoll_230707_ironage | Oosterbeintum | Netherlands_IronAge_Frisian | J1a CGG021912.mccoll_230707_ironage | Madaras | Hungary_MigrationPeriod_Sarmatian | J1a CGG022004.mccoll_230707_ironage | Zaragizh | Russia_MigrationPeriod_Alan | J1a RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Sephesakueu - 03-14-2024 (03-14-2024, 10:13 PM)RCO Wrote: Some new J1 but we need to investigate the BAM files for a final resolution. Wow a J1 visigoth , that is interesting. RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - Tomenable - 03-14-2024 (03-14-2024, 10:31 PM)Sephesakueu Wrote:(03-14-2024, 10:13 PM)RCO Wrote: Some new J1 but we need to investigate the BAM files for a final resolution. Probably a local: https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2024.03.13.584607v1.full.pdf "668 "In contrast, we find the (supposed East Germanic-speaking) Polish Wielbark 669 individuals, to be modelled primarily as Eastern Scandinavian. However, most later 670 individuals associated with the originally East Germanic-speaking groups, the Ukrainian 671 Ostrogoths and the Visigoths of Iberia, appear to be locals (Supplementary Note 6.9.6)." RE: Steppe Ancestry in western Eurasia and the spread of the Germanic Languages - teepean - 03-14-2024 Two new samples from Finland! CGG019338.mccoll_230707_ironage Levanluhta CGG024143.mccoll_230707_ironage Kaldamaki |