Iron Age Switzerland

[Manofthehour]

Came across this paper which apparently has data.

"Geographic origin, ancestry, and death circumstances at the Cornaux/Les Sauges Iron Age bridge, Switzerland."
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB64776

[Riverman]

Came across this paper which apparently has data.

"Geographic origin, ancestry, and death circumstances at the Cornaux/Les Sauges Iron Age bridge, Switzerland."
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB64776

This site has a "Tollense moment", becasue like Tollense and Himera, it might include people otherwise absent from the regular inhumation burials. The background:

Around 100 BC, the Celtic bridge at Cornaux/Les Sauges suddenly collapsed, throwing a convoy of oxen, horses, women and men loaded with their equipment, food and tools into the water. Some escaped, others were swept away by the river’s current, while twenty-one unfortunates were trapped in the tangle of bridge beams and planks. This discovery has given rise to much controversy: some archaeologists, inspired by the debates at the nearby La Tène site, have interpreted Cornaux as a place of sacrifice, where people and goods were thrown into the river as offerings. The archaeological data, however, indicate that it was more a question of a dramatic accident, caused by a violent storm or by a sudden flood of the river.

https://celtudalps.com/cornaux-les-sauges/

Its located in Western Switzerland, canton Neuenburg:
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanton_Neuenburg

Since that canton is now very high in R-U152 and E-V13, it would be great to get the uniparentals of this sort of random caravan people too, whether they are locals or not and what kind of association they will show.

[La Tene]

Came across this paper which apparently has data.

"Geographic origin, ancestry, and death circumstances at the Cornaux/Les Sauges Iron Age bridge, Switzerland."
https://www.ebi.ac.uk/ena/browser/view/PRJEB64776

I wonder if the samples will overlap with the SW germany Hallstatt samples and Lech EBA in G25 PCA

[Manofthehour]

Coords from Balckagloop on Discord:

Scaled:

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Raw:

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Interesting. It's looking a bit of a mixed bag here.

[ChrisR]

Interesting. It's looking a bit of a mixed bag here.

While they are not homogeneous most seem to overlap with other Hallstatt-LaTene results.
A few seem to drift in direction of WHG (and EHG?) so maybe early Northern influence / Germanic?
 

[Andour]

Lech Valley EBA > South-West Germany Hallstatt (with the 3 declared outliers removed) > Swiss Iron Age (+ > Cenomanni Verona)

(If you throw in Czech La Tène, Czech Hallsatt, Hungary La Tène, Slovakia La Tène, and Slovenia IA, the centre of the PCA turns into a total mess)

[Andour]

[Andour]

Last one, I promise !

[Manofthehour]

Now if someone could extract the haplogroups that would be great.

[Stefano]

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The cline is pretty clear imho

[ChrisR]

Including also the Gaul (France) IA samples from
Fischer's paper Origin and mobility of Iron Age Gaulish groups in present-day France revealed through archaeogenomics 
shows great diversity and a deep overlapping with Germanic samples (Langobards, Saxons,...)
To me this looks like the Celtish/Germanic admixture in IA Belgish & North + West France is very similar to what happened in the East-Pannonian area maybe a little later.

[alexfritz]

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The cline is pretty clear imho

could also be smth like this

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judging by the amount of Etruscan in Bologna_Imperial (+sim narrative in future nItaly abstract) there cant be nothing
you def need to check where R111 (or R1555) plots in the space as we never knew how roman nItalians looked like but now we do (cf Bologna (6.7)

[Stefano]

   

They plot around where you conjectured but i still find the first hypothesis more convincing for a number of reasons.
1) When using R111 and R1555 the amount of germanic becomes unrealistically high

Target: Lombardy
Distance: 0.0187% / 0.01869975
77.0 ImperialRoman2
23.0 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

Target: Piedmont
Distance: 0.0168% / 0.01678621
70.1 ImperialRoman2
29.9 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

Target: Trentino-Alto_Adige
Distance: 0.0145% / 0.01453666
69.1 ImperialRoman2
30.9 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

when adding gaul sources they are taken and the fit improves

Target: Lombardy
Distance: 0.0132% / 0.01318082
52.8 ImperialRoman2
47.2 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)

Target: Piedmont
Distance: 0.0141% / 0.01406763
52.6 ImperialRoman2
30.6 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)
16.8 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

Target: Trentino-Alto_Adige
Distance: 0.0066% / 0.00655459
51.4 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)
36.4 ImperialRoman2
12.2 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

the fit is even better when using the other imperial romans average which are really close to the southern profiles found in Collegno MA, as visible on PCA.

Target: Lombardy
Distance: 0.0083% / 0.00829187
66.5 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)
32.2 ImperialRoman+Collegno_o
1.3 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

Target: Piedmont
Distance: 0.0089% / 0.00889558
53.6 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)
31.9 ImperialRoman+Collegno_o
14.5 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

Target: Trentino-Alto_Adige
Distance: 0.0047% / 0.00474902
69.0 Gaul(Verona+IASwiss+AUTlaTene)
19.6 ImperialRoman+Collegno_o
11.4 LongobardsHungary+Collegno

2) The amount of EEF in Northern Italy is higher than in Central and Southern italy, and higher than most of imperial romans, that would not be the case if N italian were 20-30% germanic + imperial romans, instead we see the same high EEF in the cenomani and other alpine celts. Also the amount of Levant and Iran is pretty low.
3) Same goes for haplogroups showing prevalence of U152 and not a lot of germanic haplogroups.
4) Gallo-Italic and Rhaeto-Romance languages are part of Gallo-Romance family and have a Gaulish substrate.
5) Difference mode on G25 again shows celtic, not germanic.

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Lombardy
B: Italian_Lazio
C: ↴
-0.03087472 Slovenia_EIA
-0.03082359 Germany_Hassleben_Celtic
-0.03070281 Croatia_EIA
-0.03051179 Austria_IA_LaTene
-0.03043189 France_SouthEast_IA2
-0.03034113 IA_Swiss
-0.03030661 Cisalpine_Gaul_Cenomani
-0.03020347 Hungary_LaTene
-0.03007385 France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG
-0.03006040 Croatia_MBA
-0.03005678 Italy_TarquiniaMonterozzi_IA.SG
-0.02986183 Slovakia_LIA_LaTene
-0.02970406 England_EBA_highEEF
-0.02949840 Hungary_IA_LaTene
-0.02947277 England_EIA_highEEF
-0.02944526 Croatia_MLBA
-0.02925467 France_Occitanie_IA2.SG
-0.02924912 France_GrandEst_IA2
-0.02908272 Czech_IA_Hallstatt.SG
-0.02905217 Austria_Ovilava_Roman.SG
-0.02897196 Spain_IA_Celt
-0.02879456 Czech_MBA_Tumulus

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Lombardy
B: RomanInflux:IITA_Collegno_MA_o1
C: ↴
-0.07318299 Slovenia_EIA
-0.07315675 Germany_Hassleben_Celtic
-0.07314299 Croatia_EIA
-0.07298002 France_SouthEast_IA2
-0.07247773 Cisalpine_Gaul_Cenomani
-0.07227784 Italy_TarquiniaMonterozzi_IA.SG
-0.07210082 Austria_IA_LaTene
-0.07206401 Croatia_MBA
-0.07195619 IA_Swiss
-0.07160991 England_EIA_highEEF

Distance difference: ( AC - BC ) ↑
A: Italian_Lombardy
B: RomanInflux:ITA_Rome_Imperial
C: ↴
-0.07458719 Slovenia_EIA
-0.07436346 Croatia_EIA
-0.07414063 France_SouthEast_IA2
-0.07396959 Cisalpine_Gaul_Cenomani
-0.07380356 Germany_Hassleben_Celtic
-0.07367508 Croatia_MBA
-0.07350449 IA_Swiss
-0.07332236 Italy_TarquiniaMonterozzi_IA.SG
-0.07319227 Austria_IA_LaTene
-0.07296566 France_Sarrebourg_LateAntiquity.SG

[GHurier]

Since that canton is now very high in R-U152 and E-V13, it would be great to get the uniparentals of this sort of random caravan people too, whether they are locals or not and what kind of association they will show.

Did you have data by Canton for Switzerland ?
On YFULL I didn't see any sample in Neuchatel's Canton under E-V13, I only see two samples nearby in Bern's Canton.

[VladMC]

Geographic origin, ancestry, and death circumstances at the Cornaux/Les Sauges Iron Age bridge, Switzerland

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-62524-y